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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #84

I think the reason to not invest your time in PS5 linux is that sony hates it and will patch it away over and over, and nobody really wants it. It's $200, mediocre hardware. I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together.

You've misunderstood something deeply. PS5 Linux doesn't exist because running Linux on PS5 is something useful or practical. Exists due to the curiosity and fun of running a free OS on a locked-down device. Maybe some nostalgia mixed in as Linux has existed in every other PS (even PSP/PS Vita).

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by croes »

arnaudsm wrote: post #12

Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

This sounds like LLM noobs ruined the chance of legally playing GTA6 and habe Linux support and he seems pretty frustrated about it

> I am stepping away from the ps5 scene and stopping all my work on ps5 linux. After pouring my heart and months of my life into it, including plans to finish ps5 pro support and release in 2027, it's all down the sink.

> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony.

> I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by BrtByte »

0x69420 wrote: post #26

now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a yea…

The asymmetry is what makes this feel unsustainable

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by gosub100 »

aleksejs wrote: post #22

Fascinating times we live in, when "the last hypervisor bug" in what is presumably one of the most hardened pieces of consumer hardware can be found by "noobs" and "slop kiddies".

I say it's only because LLMs came out after the PS5 was developed. Presumably, future generations of hw (if there are any) will use the same methods to harden the attack surface. Good ole cat and mouse.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by BrtByte »

ssl-3 wrote: post #69
0x69420 wrote: post #26

now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a yea…

> now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha..." At first, my brain parsed "spam" as in ye olde email spam. It took a moment for it to sink in that you meant code spam, instead. But now that the two concepts are linked…

The funny part is that we'd probably recreate the entire email spam arms race

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by croes »

arnaudsm wrote: post #30
seki285 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.

Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story. Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.

Just because something is the norm, which I doubt, doesn’t mean it’s good.

Eventually comes the straw that brakes the camel‘s back

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by latexr »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #149
latexr wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An analogous question is “isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people are rich?” There’s a crucial difference between the two questions. “Rich” is a relative term: If everyone had the same amount of money, no one would be rich, you need someone to be worse off (poor) to have someone better off (rich). But someone enjoying their work has no bearing on someone else’s enjoyment of theirs.

you need someone to be worse off (poor) to have someone better off (rich). The fact that so many people believe this is what bums me out. You need to understand something: the people who want you to think this way do not have your best interests in mind, any more than the rabid right-wing Trumpers do.

You completely misunderstood the point.

In no way do I mean that someone has to suffer for someone else to thrive. We could (and should) all thrive and have our needs met.

I’m just saying the term is relative, like “tall” and “short”. If we were all the same height, no one would be tall or short, we’d just be. If we all had the same amount of money, no one would be rich or poor.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by alexjplant »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #84

I think the reason to not invest your time in PS5 linux is that sony hates it and will patch it away over and over, and nobody really wants it. It's $200, mediocre hardware. I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together.

> I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together.

Your comment is framed as though Linux usage and what you deem an unstable lifestyle (lack of monetary means in your judgment) are mutually exclusive. Open-source software is for everybody, including the messy or disenfranchised. Would you frame a kid who got a PS5 for Christmas who doesn't have an allowance or job as a failure because they don't have $100 to spend on a Pi? It sounds like you just look down on people playing video games even when they want to use the very thing you're implicitly deriding to do the thing that you think they should be doing... doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by croes »

arnaudsm wrote: post #63
lovich wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> …been the norm for months… You know, it’s petty, but I think one of the things I hate the most about AI is that it surpassed front end JavaScript frameworks in terms of changing what the standard is every few years. What’s the point of learning anything if it becomes obsolete faster than the seasons change?

It's the fear of being left behind that fuels both these things.

Left behind what?

If AI works as promised coming late to the game is an advantage.

How many tricks for prompts are already obsolete, how many tools, harnesses etc. are already replaced by better alternatives?

It’s the difference between knowing a foreign language and only using a translator.

The former changes you brain structure and your way of thinking, the latter don’t.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by bothers »

DaSHacka wrote: post #143
sva_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony. Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually (which probably took a significant amount of time.) I can pa…

I think you've hit the nail on the head. I've seen this behavior from others in the space before too, it's not a one-off. They refuse to use LLMs themselves, and state as much publicly "I simply don't need to resort to using the slop machine, my skills are superior", yet FUME when others they deem as "lesser" are able to use it to achieve the same results as them, oftentimes faster . I can guarantee this post would n…

In this case, the "same result" was killing the project for money. But yeah, lol he mad, xd, etc. What a quality contribution.
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