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Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#261

A photograph by itself should never be considered proof of anything.

Don’t know why this was downvoted but this is the right take. A photograph is evidence , but isn’t a proof in and of itself.

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Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If COST is not a factor, why does the Galaxy A16 still have no OIS (Optical Image Stabilization)? Because it's just not that important, phones and cameras have also used digital stabilization via cropping since forever.

Those are two fundamentally different things: 1. OIS (optical stabilization) ensures that the light photons consistently hit the same pixel, removing the blur caused by camera-shake during exposure. 2. EIS (electrical stabilization) via cropping compensates camera-shake on video(!) recording by applying the same shake to the crop-canvas within the frame. --> EIS can fix a shaky video but not a blurry photo.

It's 2026, with cleaner high ISOs even in phone sized sensors giving the ability to raise the shutter speed as needed, we hadn't had much of an issue with blurry photos for a decade now, with or without OIS. There have been several expensive cameras with no OIS, like Ricoh GR and (and v2), or ZVE10 (and v2).

It's video where people care about these days. Does anybody complain about blurry S12 photos?

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#263

This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

> This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". You have it all wrong. Apple Reference Image is not an id system; it's primarily a way to attest that the pixels recorded by…

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Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that's kind of like DRM and Widevine, which exists on every consumer device.

Well, that happened because in ~2011 the entire media industry announced that they will stop media playback on devices which didn't secure the DRM-keys. As media consumption was fundamental to the Smartphone ecosystem, Google made secure-boot and widevine mandatory. Sure, the same could happen here, but I don't know which industry (or other body) would demand that and have sufficient justification for it. After all,…

Not if Apple can identify the dog as belonging to someone else.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#265

And why does someone have to trust Apple? Everything "security"-related that comes out of Apple lately somehow always assumes that Apple is to be unquestionably trusted. And, yeah, I'm incredibly tired of this whole concept of a device you own acting in someone else's interests. This needs to stop and it needs to happen 10 years ago.

Every time they say "trust us" they publish a whitepaper with technical details explaining why and how they can be trusted. They're generally very good about these things.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#266

This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

> This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". You have it all wrong. Apple Reference Image is not an id system; it's primarily a way to attest that the pixels recorded by…

Looks like you saw the word ID and went off. OP never called it an ID system

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#268

This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

I think the biggest downside here is we're moving toward a world in which only Apple and Google and a few other privileged manufacturers can make cameras.

Related: It is also moving toward a world where the US effectively becomes the world judge of truth

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#269

This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

> This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". You have it all wrong. Apple Reference Image is not an id system; it's primarily a way to attest that the pixels recorded by…

> You have it all wrong.

> Apple Reference Image is not an id system

GP does not have it all wrong. A company desiring you to prove your identity often asks for a photograph of your government ID. Now that this is easily faked, it is reasonable to expect that the company will ask for a verifiably authentic photograph of your government ID.

That the Apple Reference Image itself is not traceable to the device/user is beside the point in this use case.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#270
I just finished reading a scifi book called Venemous Lumpsucker which had this type of system as a minor plot point. An interesting twist was that there were essentially smart-contract based non-disclosure agreements that could effectively disable attestation for photos and videos on a specific device that had consented to the NDA.
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