Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744
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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#32Fascinating times we live in, when "the last hypervisor bug" in what is presumably one of the most hardened pieces of consumer hardware can be found by "noobs" and "slop kiddies".
Makes you wonder if it really was "noobs" and "slop kiddies" that found it.
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#33Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744
> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony.
Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually (which probably took a significant amount of time.) I can partly understand it, but I mean that's also just the game that somebody else might find an exploit, LLMs just make it easier. LLMs finding bugs is not a bad thing, just sucks for enjoyers of open source software in this particular case.
You can probably find more though.
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I don't find that offensive at all. People do not understand the code they make AI to generate, but that doesn't stop them from submitting. This is a real problem that has hit many open source projects, and I expect more and more of them will introduce barriers to submission.
LLM use has been polarised like everything else seemingly is.
I have no issue with people using them to do things they could already do themselves as an efficiency thing and if they check and understand the result.
Unfortunately that seems to be the exception not the rule and the amount of "one shot slop" has increased dramatically, it's even affecting the modding communities for games.
This is gonna be a mess that is going to take time to figure out and then even more time to clean up.
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.
Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story. Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.
The headline accurately summarizes the main point of the story, and the part that is emphasized is from the subject of the story.
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I don't find that offensive at all. People do not understand the code they make AI to generate, but that doesn't stop them from submitting. This is a real problem that has hit many open source projects, and I expect more and more of them will introduce barriers to submission.
It’s not only for coding. If my coworker send me a lengthy doc that obviously 100% written by AI without even reviewed/revised by them, I wouldn’t read because it is a waste of my time and an insult to me.
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#37Fascinating times we live in, when "the last hypervisor bug" in what is presumably one of the most hardened pieces of consumer hardware can be found by "noobs" and "slop kiddies".
Well, sure, the same way that I can "cook" a three michelin star meal by going out to eat at the French Laundry.
It's just boring. And the people that crow about "their" accomplishments are tiresome.
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#38now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a yea…
> remember hacktoberfest 2020?
Oh man, if you read the threads about that it's such a time capsule of a different era:
e.g. from this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628342
> I am honestly surprised how little SPAM there is on GitHub in general. Please don’t take that as a challenge!
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#39This title and the first quote are misleading. A dev found an undisclosed hypervisor exploit using AI that TheFlow0 had been using and keeping secret, but the other dev had informed Sony to collect the bug bounty.
It's an issue that the dev attempted to collect the bug bounty, AI or no
Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"
#40Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. It's definitely become a game of just spam claude for answers with zero understanding or care for how anything actually works. That's fine to get things done and fine for a lot of side projects, but it definitely ruins the joy that people have in understanding systems and working with intellectuals.
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