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Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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Post by lukewarm707 »

peri-cl wrote: post #5

This is an excellent use case for completely local, small model inference, yet for inexplicable reasons Mozilla wants to normalize uploading your entire private browsing history to a cloud. These (Mistral's and Mozilla's) marketing pages aren't candid enough to clearly explain the difference between local and cloud inference, and that they're asking you to consent to enabling the latter. I'd call that the bare minimu…

zdr is good, really confidential inference with attestation would be better. the same as a confidential vm TEE which confirms the integrity and privacy.

there are good providers available, i think it should become the standard.

two high quality companies: near.ai tinfoil.sh

Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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mixcocam wrote: post #26

Would be very cool if you could type a long query and the model would just build an advanced google search query using what you typed. You could even ship a tiny model in the browser itself that does that. Something like: "blog posts which talk about using sending emails to yourself as a notes taking mechanism". The output could look like: "note taking" OR "notes" ("emailing yourself" OR "email to myself" OR "email y…

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Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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Post by darkwater »

input_sh wrote: post #32
spwa4 wrote: post #21

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Except ... this is not local. It's a remote service. Here is something that is: docker run ghcr.io/open-webui/open-webui:v0.11.3 docker run mcr.microsoft.com/playwright/mcp:latest Configure them. Open-webui needs a model (a local qwen3.8 does amazing), and you need to link them up. Playwright will just do stuff.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/smart-window-byom Also supports Lemonade and Ollama, which are.

But Mozilla is bad and stupid! CEO pockets in a lot of money!!1!

Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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Post by sicktriple »

fn-mote wrote: post #22
karussell wrote: post #6

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I don't think it is comparable. Nowhere in the news they say it is offline but IMO Gemini Nano is offline (?) I'm not a Google fan but I never understood the outrage as it is a local model ... sure, you have to trust them, but if you use their browser you already do.

> Nowhere in the news they say it is offline Reading HN, I 100% understood “private” to be marketing copy for “local inference”. How else could the information be kept private? I begrudgingly suppose that there is precedent for the usage, like Apple’s Private Relay, but I really don’t think they are comparable.

Private here means "trust me, bro".

Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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Post by HappyPanacea »

walrus01 wrote: post #59
Iolaum wrote: post #44

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Some years ago Firefox was the go to browser if you wanted to have "some" privacy in your browsing (together with uBlock origin). With news like this I m really wondering if my views are outdated and I need to to some good researching on maintaining some privacy in what I m browsing.

Mozilla has been in a bit of a recursive feedback loop death spiral for years now of: Browser loses market share -> try some weird thing -> very few people like or use it -> browser loses market share -> management says "oh shit we're losing market share we better try some weird thing" I say this as a person that uses firefox with ublock origin 99.5% of the time. It's better in my opinion than Chrome. I can at least…

very few people like or use it -> browser loses market share

I very much doubt trying weird things meaningfully changed their market share (aside from UI redesigns)

Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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Post by bjord »

tmtvl wrote: post #42
duskdozer wrote: post #35

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I remember using Waterfox in the past, I think because they were keeping an old UI. Is that the draw over Librewolf?

For me the draw is that Waterfox has partnerships in order to provide funding so if/when Mozilla truly loses the thread (which some may argue they have) WF can keep going on its own, whereas the Librewolf devs have stated that if push comes to shove they can't maintain an entire browser themselves.

waterfox is downstream of firefox and can't meaningfully match mozilla's maintenance of the core browser

librewolf devs are just more honest about it

Re: Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing

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Post by erikwiffin »

peri-cl wrote: post #11
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #8

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I can't fathom how they'd consider "Private" something that uploads all the sensitive information in readable form to a third party service. In fact, If I were asked to explain the opposite of private, I might give this kind of design as an example.

It's more un-fathomable if you recall Mozilla were the people who *pioneered* local browser ML as a privacy feature. Back in 2022—when Chrome was doing language translation by uploading to Google servers, and Mozilla introduced the (actually innovative!) idea of baking small ML models into the browser, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33792447 ( "Firefox Translations: Translate websites in your browser without us…

Even more un-fathomable, Mozilla's CTO has been writing a substack with the underlying theme of "if the AI isn't running on your hardware, you don't own it" https://newsletter.ownersnotrenters.com/

They're still 100% cognizant! And yet.

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