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Yeah, not sure why not at least being upfront about the possibility is so hard. In Spain we've had train derailments, flocks of people being directed on social media to force themselves across borders, subterfuge deluxe everywhere and what not, yet the government is mostly silent and claim it's all unrelated, but it's hard to not also see the parallels across the continent and reach your own conclusions. But then als…
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> Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France From what I read, the similarity ends in “both involved trains”. This chain of attacks seems to have used short metal pipes (“Footage published by Dutch public broadcaster NOS on Tuesday showed police carrying what appeared to be metal pipes - about 1.5 metres (5ft) long”) to short a connection, making safety systems signal “there’s a…
As far as sabotage goes doing it in a way that is disruptive but causes no permanent damage is a bit odd. As a protest, however, it makes perfect sense.
Forcing delays on European trains in special days when a huge number of travelers are expected is the oldest trick in the book. It has been exploited for years and years.
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It's odd that you would jump to "Russian op" and hedging by _not_ asserting that it is "definitely" one; but it very well could also be and arguably even is far more likely an act by someone who would benefit form scaring the public and manipulating the affected governments. I'm not going to assert at all, one way or another who it may be because it could be several actors with interests in producing outcomes of fear…
The ruling class in Europe needs this war for economic reasons. They're orchestrating and selling it to the public by constant fear mongering and provoking conflict. Even in a relatively intelligent crowd like this forum, people are gullible and easily guided to hate the Other: red ("communists", Russia, China); brown (immigrants, Muslims, Iran); or green ("far left", environmental and civil rights activists). They h…
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> But all those political divisions are a result of national politics of those countries. Do you claim that Russia doesn't invest in disinformation campaigns against the West?
> Do you claim that Russia doesn't invest in disinformation campaigns against the West? Maybe it do invest. But that has about zero effect. If Russian disinformation campaigns were working, they would work in Russia as well, but that's not happening.
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russia declared war on whole west (including this open forum) in 2014, if you cared about the topic a bit you would know that. They are not even hiding it, quite contrary. Attacks keep happening basically daily in entire Europe now, thats a text book declaration of war from russia. They repeatedly declared razing whole western Europe and western world with nuclear weapons, annihilating hundreds of millions. They repe…
[quote]Russia declared war on whole west (including this open forum) in 2014[/quote] I dont remember seeing Lavrov delivering a declaration of war to this “whole west” diplomatic core. Got any real sources to back this absurd claim?
Mr "Lithuania Will Disappear From the World Map" has not been so shy on this aspect
"Dmitry Medvedev on Feb. 18 threatened to use nuclear weapons against the U.S., the U.K., Germany, and Ukraine if Moscow loses all occupied Ukrainian territories".
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[quote]Russia declared war on whole west (including this open forum) in 2014[/quote] I dont remember seeing Lavrov delivering a declaration of war to this “whole west” diplomatic core. Got any real sources to back this absurd claim?
> dont remember seeing Lavrov delivering a declaration of war Mr "Lithuania Will Disappear From the World Map" has not been so shy on this aspect "Dmitry Medvedev on Feb. 18 threatened to use nuclear weapons against the U.S., the U.K., Germany, and Ukraine if Moscow loses all occupied Ukrainian territories".
Because in the real world (tm) a diplomat announcing this has consequences. Press can parrot any fantasy they want, gullible may just as well watch Marvel entertainment, same relation to reality.
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> You either step up and hit back, or look weak and invite further problems. The latter is exactly what the western world did in 2014, and its why we have this much larger war now.
So we should attack russia, cause WW3 because you are paranoid that they might do that first?
That would be enforcing international law, not pushing for war.
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Thousands of the first Shahed drones fired by russia at civilians in Ukraine were made in Iran. Ukraine has not attacked Iran. So you might be “pretty sure”, but to me it looks like you’re just wrong.
> Ukraine has not attacked Iran. Lol, no, not by themselves no. But in case you didn't notice, Ukraine's most powerful ally did. Ukraine totally would attack Iran's drone production capabilities, if they could and didn't have other options/more pressing things to do. And the same goes for them as for Russia, you couldn't blame them for it if they did.
Who are you talking about? Surely not Trump.
If you are… what planet are you living on?
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#499Russia is at war with Europe. Europe is not yet at war with Russia but it will be in time.
We should just build up enough nuclear deterrent to prevent Russia from attacking us. We've been dependent on the US for this but this was also by the US' own design. They didn't want many countries to have nukes. So the whole 'Europe is not doing its bit' is not really justified. We don't need more tanks and soldiers because if we go at Russia like Ukraine does, so many people will die that it doesn't matter who win…
Europe already has a nuclear deterrent.
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I'm not saying such claims are not being published, I'm saying they're likely false because they make about as much sense as a country blowing up its own pipeline. Espionage outside of war is an extremely sensitive issue, and were any country trivially baitable, they'd end up getting played hard. Not only would it eliminate deniability, but you also open up the door to major counter-intel operations and getting more…
> I'm saying they're likely false because they make about as much sense as a country blowing up its own pipeline That is still bizarre to me, how it was the media mainstream.