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Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I struggle to see how cost could be a factor here. Okay. In good faith, I'll go with you: If COST is not a factor, why does the Galaxy A16 still have no OIS (Optical Image Stabilization)? Unlike this trusted-imaging service, OIS would be a feature for increased user-experience which is highly-matured and exists in Smartphones since 2013. The answer is COST: A camera-module with OIS is a more-expensive component tha…

How many smartphones have no camera? Zero? Bluetooth? Zero? But they could save cost by not having those. I think they are basically table stakes. If this type of thing becomes required for more and more things then no one will buy a phone that doesn't have them.

Yes, the whole insurance self-service is built on smartphones having a camera.

But the assumption that smartphone cameras, including those used in 99USD smartphones, will become 100% cryptographic cameras in a few years is highly unlikely, considering that those cameras didn't even gain OIS in the last 13 years despite the feature being highly matured and widely available.

Changing the topic to other features won't change that.

You seem to lack the understanding how this industry works, and assume that every development naturally just trickles down and becomes a commodity. This is not the case.

This cryptographic feature will definitely become available from camera sensor suppliers, first of all likely from Sony. But it will be a feature of premium sensors and will remain a differentiation factor.

Sony will not support cryptography to its sensors without additional cost. Device-vendors integrating those sensors then have additional cost in R&D, production AND operations. All this will not be waived and put in a 99USD device.

For the other assumption, that "If this type of thing becomes required", I fail to see how this should happen for a mass-market consumer: This feature doesn't authenticate the content of an image, it just authenticates the RAW data of the image sensor. It won't (and shouldn't!) make the user more trusted towards another entity (like Apple mentions themselves in the link)

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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post #160

I feel like for verified photography to be useful, it really needs a depth sensor so you can tell the difference between an actual scene and a photo of a photo. Granted, you could 3d print a scene from a photo, but at least for now it should be pretty obvious to tell the difference.

The iPhone Pros do have a depth sensor, I don’t think it's exported but it does stay in Photos' library.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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To me the weakest spot of this whole endeavor is how this will create false confidence in a story just because the accompanying images pass Apple's verification. Like with the Watch Ultra (attacking the diving-watch market with the sheer volume-scale of selling the development to everyone buying a Watch Ultra), Apple is attacking the trusted-imaging market with the same strategy. Okay, fine. Will work for sure, this…

> images that were confirmed to be "taken like this on an iPhone"

No, because images will be confirmed to have been taken on "this iPhone". The New York Times will be able to publish an article and to attest that the photographs shown were taken by their journalists, and then your user agent will verify that provenience.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

> This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally".

You have it all wrong.

Apple Reference Image is not an id system; it's primarily a way to attest that the pixels recorded by the camera sensor have not been altered in any way; the pixels, metadata and timestamp are all cryptographically signed.

There's no way to link a reference image to a person; it's also not possible to determine if a pair of images came from the same device.

> And while "a nation state actor can spoof this" is a problem for the journalism use case

This is incorrect:

    When the image sensor is first initialized in the factory, it creates a
    cryptographic signing identity, sharing only the public key with the
    factory. The SEP similarly creates a separately-attested signing
    identity. These identities are bound together into the device manifest,
    allowing us to later check whether a particular sensor and SEP are from
    the same device.

    The final signature on a reference image is a composite post-quantum
    signature combining RSA-3072 and ML-DSA-87. To our knowledge, Apple
    Reference Image is the only image provenance system that provides
    quantum-secure defenses.
So… a nation-state can't really do anything here unless they acquire alien technology. If something crazy happens (solar flare or EMP?), a fraudulent reference image can be revoked.

> Also, the journalism use case suffers from the same fundamental issue all of these use cases suffer from: People will "verify" the picture by looking at the repost of a screenshot of the verification UI, not by verifying the original themselves.

I would imagine there will be a way to confirm an Apple Reference Image on the web. Pretty soon, 3rd parties will be able to verify the image themselves:

    Reference images can be viewed in the Photos app alongside the main
    image, like a digital negative, to visually compare the two assets and
    determine if any edits were made. APIs are available in iOS, iPadOS, and
    macOS 27 for third-party apps to enable viewing of these reference images.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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I think this is really good and kudos to Apple for implementing it. The first question that popped into my mind was "what new scenarios of government X forcing Apple to do 'terrible thing' to 'individual' this enables?", but I can't think of anything. It seems that all government attack vectors this feature enables are of the type "government X forces Apple to do 'terrible thing' to 'Apple'", i.e. a government can tr…

I mean, the obvious one is that they can revoke certification of a photo despite it being real. The harder one is they can force apple to certify a fake photo. the part that would be very hard but not outside the realm of plausibility, is that gov could force apple to introduce a bug in its pcc platform to link photos to the photographer in order to track and arrest inconvenient people. Apple says there are a bunch o…

> This entire system relies on trusting apple

It does indeed, and that is a fundamental flaw. but as has been discussed here, it is better than the alternative, which is no verification.

During the pandemic, I outlined a scheme for using blockchain technology for image provenance and authenticity tracking. The idea was that instead of any one entity assigning authenticity that it would be done in a crowdsourced manner and that the device would overlay a score whenever an image or video is shown to a user.

My assumption was that the desire of users to see such scores would force all manufacturers to implement this open protocol. But my approach suffered from chicken and egg problem, which Apple's does not.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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I‘ve been wondering whether the contact tracking features introduced for Covid 19 could be used to verify that pictures of an event where taken by people who were actually around the scene. That way you‘d have some reassurance that a given picture was actually from the event. Combined with pictures from different angles from different people and some kind of verified photography should make alterations harder.

Too much potential for revealing the identities of others there.

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

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post #160

I feel like for verified photography to be useful, it really needs a depth sensor so you can tell the difference between an actual scene and a photo of a photo. Granted, you could 3d print a scene from a photo, but at least for now it should be pretty obvious to tell the difference.

The iPhone Pros do have a depth sensor, I don’t think it's exported but it does stay in Photos' library.

It’s stored in the exif data on the photos

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#169

This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

Yrs; that is what world needs, complete dependency on one giga corporation... I cannot wait for it to happen!

Re: Apple Reference Image: A New Approach for Verified Photography

#170
post #169

This is really clever from Apple. The journalist use case is just the PR story. This will be really useful for identity verification and insurance apps, and has the potential to shift from "you need a smartphone to be able to live normally" to "you need an iPhone to be able to live normally". There are already plenty of insurances that require you to submit claims through a smartphone app that tries to essentially do…

Yrs; that is what world needs, complete dependency on one giga corporation... I cannot wait for it to happen!

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