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Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by strus »

cromka wrote: post #69
zamadatix wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asahi's long term goal is to get everything possible merged into the (actually) upstream projects anyways so any distro can just work. It'd be nice to see that continue rather than have forks on forks for the sake of singular differences (and it looks like proper upstreaming is what they are going after per the Remaining Work section).

> upstream projects anyways so any distro can just work This may never end up working like that, considering how complicated installation is, comparatively speaking, and how macOS is still pretty much required to be installed.

You can make the Linux installation on Apple Sillicon Macs pretty painless nowadays. One terminal command on macOS, reboot to Linux, run one script - voila.

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by yonatan8070 »

bpye wrote: post #63
doctorpangloss wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i install proprietary modules for nvidia all the time, i'm not going to care if i have to do it for something else that i own

Nvidia's kernel module is open source these days, it's the usermode stack that's still closed.

Even though the kernel module is open-source (sort of, development still happens behind closed doors), it's still an out-of-tree module, rather than being built into the kernel, which would give you as smooth an experience as with AMD or Intel, who's GPUs literally do just work on any distro with no fuss.

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by baq »

MoltenMonster wrote: post #25

https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1whecn1/comment... > The author was banned from Asahi Linux for hiding his extensive use of LLMs from us in another attempted contribution, and (more importantly) for concealing that he is a former Apple engineer with direct contacts to the people involved in Apple Silicon development. Make of this what you will.

I’m making nothing of this, thanks.

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by userbinator »

bpye wrote: post #63
doctorpangloss wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i install proprietary modules for nvidia all the time, i'm not going to care if i have to do it for something else that i own

Nvidia's kernel module is open source these days, it's the usermode stack that's still closed.

Can't wait for someone to point an LLM at that and "open it up" ;-)

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by userbinator »

thrwy19940314 wrote: post #20

All this work is tainted since the poster is ex-Apple[1]. There is no way Linux will take that code, since people from Apple also contribute to Linux and this creates a major conflict. There's also ongoing issues around Codex for this sort of thing, given Apple is suing OpenAI over stolen trade secrets[2]. And nobody knows whether training data in other models is similarly tainted. [1]: https://codyho.dev/documents/c…

I don't give a flying fuck.

Ignoring the idiocy of Imaginary Property is how China is winning.

It's time we caught up and then leap ahead. Everything is a derivative work.

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by z3ratul163071 »

shipp02 wrote: post #123

What is the state of Nvidia and AMD GPU drivers on Linux? Maybe these techniques can finally give us reasonably good open source drivers which can be supported for a long time. AFAIK Nvidia drivers are proprietary and AMD has a tendency to drop support quickly

amen to that. amdgpu is a shitshow for years. im sure the firmware plays its part in the shitshow, but amdgpu does as well.

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by otterley »

rossy wrote: post #130
cromka wrote: post #44

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I find it extremely ironic that big corp openly steals IP en masse to build their models but hackers are still concerned about using same models for their reverse engineering work. I think at this point the hacking community needs to grow some balls.

It's not ironic, it's the flipside of exactly the same reason. Bigcorps can steal with impunity because they have unlimited money to pay expensive lawyers. FOSS projects do not, so they cannot.

No judge I’ve ever met gave a damn how much a party spent on legal resources. With rare exceptions, they care a great deal about achieving justice, and often bend over backwards to help indigent parties avoid prejudicing themselves. Keep in mind that there are no indigent parties in this debate; both major IP rights holders and the frontier AI companies are well capitalized.

(I worked in a federal district court for a while.)

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by otterley »

userbinator wrote: post #146
thrwy19940314 wrote: post #20

All this work is tainted since the poster is ex-Apple[1]. There is no way Linux will take that code, since people from Apple also contribute to Linux and this creates a major conflict. There's also ongoing issues around Codex for this sort of thing, given Apple is suing OpenAI over stolen trade secrets[2]. And nobody knows whether training data in other models is similarly tainted. [1]: https://codyho.dev/documents/c…

I don't give a flying fuck. Ignoring the idiocy of Imaginary Property is how China is winning. It's time we caught up and then leap ahead. Everything is a derivative work.

So, what do you do for a living?

Re: Building a Linux GPU Driver for the M4 Mac Mini in One Month

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Post by Azantys »

shipp02 wrote: post #123

What is the state of Nvidia and AMD GPU drivers on Linux? Maybe these techniques can finally give us reasonably good open source drivers which can be supported for a long time. AFAIK Nvidia drivers are proprietary and AMD has a tendency to drop support quickly

AMD driver support is great due to community effort, even for 10+ year old cards. Nvidia also now has (partly?) open drivers.
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