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A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by drdeca »

nullc wrote: post #19

Leaders in the MIRI/EA cult-o-sphere have advocated mass murder via nuclear weapons against towns that don't prevent people from performing too many multiplication operations. Why is anyone surprised that they'd engage in deceptive false flagging operations?

This is a lie, so you are either repeating a lie from someone else or lying yourself.

The people you are talking about have not advocated mass murder via nuclear weapons. The idea was precisely targeted non-nuclear strikes against only the servers themselves. (Which, would have plenty of forewarning to allow people to leave the building.)

The claim that they advocated for the use of nuclear weapons is a lie.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by ryukoposting »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #198
ryukoposting wrote: post #196

Okay, so all of these instances of AI supposedly "escaping containment" were orchestrated by a gaggle of effective altruists, who hired a gaggle of effective altruists, to make the public freak out about AI. Occam's Razor never leads us astray, does it.

Irregular is not an "effective altruist" firm, it's just another shitty cybersecurity firm, and this article is written by someone with a clear bias against "effective altruists" while not even understanding the term. Literally all EA is, is using reasoning to decide where to best spend your money/time. If you have ever asked yourself "how can I best reduce suffering with my marginal dollar or hour?" - congratulation…

There's a gaping chasm between Effective Altruism the principle, and Effective Altruism as practiced by self-proclaimed Effective Altruists.

Your usage of the term is based on the principle as originally defined. Mine is based on the people who claim the label of EA, and how they go about practicing those principles.

I think you're right about EA in principle. In practice, it's reheated Third Way Clintonism with a sprinkle of AI apocalypse conspiracy.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by solenoid0937 »

gwern wrote: post #175
aesthesia wrote: post #12

One thing glossed over in this article is that Irregular was not involved in the OpenAI–Hugging Face incident; this seems like important context to share.

This was not glossed over. The rhetoric was carefully written and constructed to give the misleading impression of that, including a careful mention of the H-F incident inserted so the author can say that they did mention it, and constructed in a way which doesn't contradict that impression so readers don't realize that this 'debunking' is of some sideshows rather than the 'OpenAI hacking scandals': "Anthropic CEO Da…

The article has shockingly bad reasoning driven by a clear desire to drive home a point (that AI safety doesn't matter/is a marketing exercise), as opposed to observing the evidence first and reasoning about it.

I'm kind of stunned this one has so many votes for how poorly it's written, but it reaffirms many biases common on HN (that AI safety doesn't matter/that it's all a marketing exercise), so perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by rotunda0 »

woodruffw wrote: post #185
rotunda0 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Young they may be but space it is not. Wikipedia has this: According to the Director of Military Sciences at the Royal United Services Institute in 2015, "Unit 8200 is probably the foremost technical intelligence agency in the world and stands on a par with the NSA in everything except scale." Unit 8200 alumni have founded NSO which provides the Pegasus spyware. Meanwhile, Lahav, the CEO/founder was in Unit 8…

“Space camp,” not “space.” As in, a place to park dorks. (The problem with “alumni” is that it means very little in mandatory systems. Unit 8200 is where Israel parks its dorks, and it stands to reason that dorks are the ones who tend to start tech firms.)

Me omitting a word does not excuse you from engaging in hasbara. I didn't want to call you out so but the only thing you could find in my post was the omission of that word and yet you insisted posting so it's to call a spade a spade.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by solenoid0937 »

ryukoposting wrote: post #202
solenoid0937 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irregular is not an "effective altruist" firm, it's just another shitty cybersecurity firm, and this article is written by someone with a clear bias against "effective altruists" while not even understanding the term. Literally all EA is, is using reasoning to decide where to best spend your money/time. If you have ever asked yourself "how can I best reduce suffering with my marginal dollar or hour?" - congratulation…

There's a gaping chasm between Effective Altruism the principle, and Effective Altruism as practiced by self-proclaimed Effective Altruists. Your usage of the term is based on the principle as originally defined. Mine is based on the people who claim the label of EA, and how they go about practicing those principles. I think you're right about EA in principle. In practice, it's reheated Third Way Clintonism with a sp…

There really isn't. All sorts of people call themselves EA.

For some self proclaimed EA, the development of superintelligence is indeed potentially apocalyptic, so they devote their money/time to making it arrive safely. This is basically every well-respected researcher at OpenAI, Anthropic, DeepMind, etc.

For other self proclaimed EA, that is all is very unlikely, and so they devote their time to reducing the prevalence of factory farming and animal suffering, as they see it as the largest source of suffering-hours on the planet.

For yet other EAs, it is simply about donating your money to the places that save the most lives per dollar, as best as we can measure it - and better measuring it where we can't.

Painting all EA with one brush - and one so dismissive of reasonable concerns, like "superintelligence could be dangerous" as "apocalypse conspiracy" - seems very strange to me, but you do you.

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by totetsu »

magicmicah85 wrote: post #111

The Irregular post mortem comes down to lack of basic security controls "Ultimately, most of the issues we’ve discovered were due to internet access controls." That seems so incredibly basic and common sense that you would test and monitor for that type of outbound access. It is baffling that a security lab missed that. https://www.irregular.com/research/addressing-recent-inciden...

How do you test and monitor outbound access against program that adapts itself to get around things? if your MITM and filtering keywords etc, cant it just .. encode it traffic somehow or another.. If you're looking at traffic volumes, cant it just go slow.. If you have strict ACLs, we've already seen in the HF case, traversal from an intermediate system..

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by totetsu »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #200
Georgelemental wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really that impossible to believe that these might be real? I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone, but "they committed a bunch of felonies and then publicly admitted to them in order to look good " just makes 0 sense. Where are these mythical people who admire companies more when they commit felonies? I haven't seen them…

It's impossible for the typical HN cynic/conspiracy theorist.

Flaging and killing the comment doesn't help dissuade form this lol

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by unquietwiki »

Anyone else walk away from reading this, and looking at other articles there, and get a weird feeling about that site? Like, there was some weird stuff about migrants and gender equality, and stuff about Islamic terror; mixed in with some digging into Freedom Fuel, and some other stuff about how "wealthy families want to stop growth". It's like the guy is wielding an ax of AI at any and all of the "elite" he can find?

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by EagnaIonat »

unquietwiki wrote: post #208

Anyone else walk away from reading this, and looking at other articles there, and get a weird feeling about that site? Like, there was some weird stuff about migrants and gender equality, and stuff about Islamic terror; mixed in with some digging into Freedom Fuel, and some other stuff about how "wealthy families want to stop growth". It's like the guy is wielding an ax of AI at any and all of the "elite" he can find…

The site owner generates stories from AI consensus and data. The owner is pro-trump though. So you only get stories that agree with his agenda.

It becomes a bit more obvious when you see other stories from him like "How Biden Used Religious Charities to Fund the Great Replacement".

Re: A single firm is behind OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta hacking scandals

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Post by itemize123 »

lkbm wrote: post #117
an0malous wrote: post #38

Why was this post flagged? This site has become ridiculous, people are routinely abusing the flagging system to take down posts they don’t like even if they’re obviously on topic and relevant to HN. And it seems like some users have substantially more flagging weight because these posts, likely this one, are often top 5 on HN.

I'm confused by the headline being a headline here at all. Irregular being involved in OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta incidents has been well-known for over a month[0][1]. It's literally the only thing I know about the Meta incident. [0] https://x.com/jtcbrule/status/2085443180191715780 [1] https://x.com/RaconteurR2D2/status/2086932963829125185

if you are reading the comments - it's news to a lot of less-wired-in persons (like most of us)
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