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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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The CLI version of agy is great. Have you tried it?

Do you dangerously allow permissions? I absolutely cannot use it until they ship an auto approver. As it is now I have it write one bash/python script to do everything it wants to, then I review that. Otherwise it is COMPLETELY unusable and it shocks me when I hear people are using it.

is anti gravity open sourced just like codex or grok code?

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Gemini is underrated in that it produces the only prose that is somewhat bearable to read.

I work for Google and we have the choice between Gemini models and Opus. Opus is slightly better than Gemini flash but I find the style unbearable. It reminds me of a pedantic grad student.

Not only that, Opus likes to invent arcane jargons. And the longer the task runs, the harder it is to understand its output. The conversation will be filled with uncommon word choices and awkward sentence structure.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I love Gemini in Google Maps for long drives. I start getting bored of music and podcasts and start grilling it with random questions I've always wondered about.

In Maps? Or is it Android Auto? I have Google built it. When I push the button on steering wheel I hardly know which layer I'm talking to.

Really? I am in Android Auto and I try to even just ask it to get me to "Costco Near Me". I know where it is. I wanna know if the sometimes there traffic jam that blocks the right lane is gonna expect me or not without being distracted zooming out from current location and then back in to the highway exit I know is prone to that at times. You know, I wanna be a good citizen and not be distracted by looking even a second at the screen I'm zooming around in.

It tells me there's a Costco 10km from me and I'm like, yeah let's go there, that's the one I meant! And then it sends me to one that's like 40 minutes from me all across town and I'm like WTF?!

Never mind asking Android Auto any question that's not driving related. It just doesn't understand me at all. Or even some driving related ones. "Find Alternative route". "Sorry, I can't help you with that". WTF?

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Have you used Google search at all on the past few months? Every single search brings up a live chat prompt. They're serving fast AI to billions of users at huge scale everyday And they're making money doing it. Perhaps they don't have the best coding model right now (although 3.8 flash is arguably SOTA at some benchmarks), but is that the be-all and end-all of AI? Only coding matters?

It’s so annoying that everyone just points to the Artificial Analysis index (or even worse, Epoch AI, where part of the score is how good the AI is at chess) as a proxy for “how good” the model is.

Most people talking about Gemini quality do so by experience.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I want to, I have like a 2000+ day streak on Duolingo and I know I can only gain fluency once I start speaking it more.

We (me and my teens) used Duolingo for a few years and.. didn't really get that far in actually being able to speak. It's kind of mind-blowing that they are the market leaders. In retrospect, I think of it more like an addictive language game and not really a good way to actually learn to speak. If you're really interested, shoot me an email.

Latest in a long line of scams for learning a language. Goes back to cassette tapes and records. The only good way is the natural way: immerse yourself in it.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I'm wondering if Google intends to drop the next major version of Gemini Pro as a total bombshell drop to make Anthropic and OpenAI panic. They seem to be taking their sweet time on frontier model updates.

They promised 3.5 Pro at their next or i/o event, but the rumor is that is never going to be released because it would have been embarrassing. They just started letting their engineers use Claude, so it sounds like things may not be going so well with Gemini

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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They should just give up at this point, it's just embarrassing to watch. As PrimeTime said; these are the guys that invented the 'T' in 'GPT', that deployed their first TPU in 2015, that is using billions on AI - and they are beaten by 300 people startup named Moonshot AI even. People are going to write books about this complete fumble.

Strongly disagree with that take. Kimi K3 is a distilled model. I'm not saying that as a moral judgement, or to disparage the team behind it, but distilling and building on that is significantly easier and cheaper than building from the ground up. And Gemini is kinda good enough at everything. Never the top, but it is decent at every task, and it is much faster than Kimi K3 and significantly cheaper. Kimi is very foc…

Distillation does not make a model. There is so much more that goes into creating LLM Ai, traces from better models alone is insufficient. You need a good pre training run as foundation, a great RL reward function to make the other model's traces useful, and serious engineering chops to manage training runs at that scale. (non-exhaustive list)
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