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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Not a great impression to have your demo video demonstrate how one of your 'most advanced' AI models loses to the most common check-mate pattern in all of chess.

I am an adult, and i lose to elemental school kids in chess.

I am not so advanced enough as a human being.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment. As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive

Google spent most of their cash, they are now taking loans for data centers too. They recorded their first quarter of negative cash flows ever

Have you seen Google's balance sheet?

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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For coding models? I don't think Google is motivated to fight in that market. There's no incentive for them. Ask yourself, how does Google -- a company that famously does everything -- benefit from SWEs outside of Google having access to powerful coding models? They would just be competition. Famously, Google just eventually discards almost all businesses that don't have the same fire hose of revenue that ads does. S…

> Ask yourself, how does Google -- a company that famously does everything -- benefit from SWEs outside of Google having access to powerful coding models? They would just be competition. Bragging rights to say they have a SOTA model. I guess that was more like Google of 10 years ago with moonshot projects. Nowadays, yeah, perhaps if it's not helping sell ads, it doesn't make sense.

Google did it AlphaGo, AlphaFold etc for bragging rights, now let frontier lab do their thing.

It would be utter stupidity if they keep competing with hyper agile frontier labs. They sensibly moving to big infra provider and that's good niche.

> .. perhaps if it's not helping sell ads,

Perhaps cloud business is also a thing which is making big revenue

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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I do this too! Usually some idea in ML ...when I am driving I might suddenly remember what I was thinking about and then it is my personal podcast via Gemini-in-Maps. My only complaint is if you have follow up questions, you have to be quick, otherwise it cuts off the mic.

I feel like a 10 year old all over again with my frequency of questions. How did the early Roman Empire interact with Greek city states? How are LLMs planning on learning new information on the fly without new context or retraining runs? Why did mom leave? You know, standard stuff.

> Why did mom leave?

Reinforcement learning by human feedback.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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This is commonly why, on Reddit in particular, you can get eaten alive. Someone confident but incorrect, can often sound more convincing than someone with actual expertise. The expert must add caveats/hedge, because those are the facts on the ground, whereas the person reciting google can be entirely confident. Of course the people judging aren't experts, so they side with confidence and simplicity. Heck, just writin…

I consider, on the contrary, caveating and hedging annoying 'typical redditor'/internet behaviors: they care more about being "technically correct" than conveying the message. On the internet, if you make even the tiniest mistake or simplification, someone will criticize you, so you're trained to always hedge. In normal discussions with friends you can just make general statements and people get what you mean.

You aren't arguing a "contrary" to what I actually wrote above. You're arguing with a strawman Redditor, and a point adjacent to what I was posting about - experts responding to topics within their actual realm of expertise.

So I won't be addressing this, for those reasons and others.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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The CLI version of agy is great. Have you tried it?

Do you dangerously allow permissions? I absolutely cannot use it until they ship an auto approver. As it is now I have it write one bash/python script to do everything it wants to, then I review that. Otherwise it is COMPLETELY unusable and it shocks me when I hear people are using it.

Sounds like they shipped some changes today that might reduce approvals: https://x.com/antigravity/status/2100001904969297980

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now) I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it. This is probably the most joy I g…

I have a similar experience using Gemini for quick Catalan translations for iOS apps given enough context. I once asked it to summarize The Hobbit in Catalan to explain it to my daughter before sleep. I was expecting a lot of mistakes as I see regularly if I ask anything in my native language when using GPT or Claude, but it was surprisingly good. I was going just to kind of skim ahead and retell it my own way, but e…

> As I work in english and use them in english, I wonder if using LLMs in a different language to code renders a different result as well. Like, if some of these benchmarks were made in other languages, would the result be similar.

I am not a Chinese speaker but my understanding is that all of the models have substantially different behavior in Chinese, to the degree that it's kind of like a second model. Would be interested in hearing more if anyone has direct experience.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now) I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it. This is probably the most joy I g…

I've been building a language learning app which uses AI voice chat to let people practice. Would that be something interesting for you to try out? It's all still rough, but we've been learning Japanese with it and its pretty cool.

Ai pitch accent is not correct with most TTS systems for Japanese. I’ve tried many.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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The CLI version of agy is great. Have you tried it?

Do you dangerously allow permissions? I absolutely cannot use it until they ship an auto approver. As it is now I have it write one bash/python script to do everything it wants to, then I review that. Otherwise it is COMPLETELY unusable and it shocks me when I hear people are using it.

  alias agy="agy --dangerously-skip-permissions"
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