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Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by martinced »

_pra wrote: post #73
pablasso wrote: post #59

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You can use liquid soap. And for dry soap I tend to just open the water a couple of seconds, close it, soap my hands and then wash it away again. There's really no need to let the water run all the time, that's a waste.

If your goal is to actually clean your hands, then it's not a waste. Proper hand-washing requires not touching anything dirty after you've cleaned up. And how did you turn the faucet on? With your dirty hands. So, wash, dry with a paper towel, turn faucet off with paper towel.

By your logic then as soon as you get out of the bathroom and touch anything, then your hands aren't clean anymore. So what was the point in cleaning them?

Being too much of a maniac with such thing is no good. Especially not for your kids: an environment that is too clean will prevent them from developing proper defenses and as soon as they'll be outside, they'll get sick like sissies all the time :-/

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by kalleboo »

progrock wrote: post #43
chewxy wrote: post #5

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kitchen sinks are deeper too, so splashes are minimized. Also, my kitchen sink is actually slightly slanted towards the sink hole.

Don't people just use wash buckets inside their kitchen sinks anyway? It would cost me too much otherwise on a water metre in the UK.

This is one thing that differs between countries.

In Sweden... You have a sink split in two sections, one that you filled with dishes+water, one for rinsing. My parents yhsed a dishwasher, and I later had a dishwasher as well.

In the UK, my sister uses a wash bucket. This is the only place I've seen this.

In Greece, dishwasher again. The sink is also split like in Sweden.

In Japan, washing dishes in a single large sink under running water.

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* The UK also has those braindead hot and cold in separate faucets on each side of the sink. So when you wash your hands, either you're wasting a ton of water, you're using cold water, or you're scalding your hands. Will never understand that. And this is in a NEW apartment!

* Also, many brits I've known don't rinse their dishes... they let them dry with the soap on them. Also inexplicable.

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by lobster_johnson »

zefhous wrote: post #2

I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the Middle East flat kitchen sinks are standard and ubiquitous. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that it's an aesthetic design decision — I bet it's more of a cultural preference. I don't like flat sinks, but I can see how some people do. In Lebanon they generally build large flat sinks right into the countertop with the same marble. They are much larger than most Amer…

Flat kitchen sinks work mostly because the facuet in kitchens usually swivel, so that you can move the flow of water to flush things out of the corners.

In my own apartment I have a directional, tilting head [1] attachment. It lets you point the water stream anywhere within the sink, and it has a secondary mode that turns the stream into a wider shower-style spray.

I have a flat sink in my bathroom. It's slighty sloped, but that doesn't help much against gunk collecting in the corners; it's awful precisely because the faucet doesn't swivel, and the faucet is one of those low, short bathroom types, so adding that same attachment would not help much.

[1] http://i.imgur.com/XKdED.jpg

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by monochromatic »

brudgers wrote: post #55

The analogy doesn't hold water. A flat sink is a flat sink because it is flat. A flat design is a flat design because we call it "a flat design." Skeuomorphism isn't realism - pixels are pixels not leather. A gradient isn't a shadow. The flat "add comment" button below does not cause me confusion. Curving a surface doesn't necessarily make it handle liquid properly. A poorly designed urinal will splatter if hung too…

The analogy isn't between "flat" and "flat." It's between "different and worse" and "different and worse."

Re: The Flat Sink

#86

Post by _pra »

martinced wrote: post #81
_pra wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your goal is to actually clean your hands, then it's not a waste. Proper hand-washing requires not touching anything dirty after you've cleaned up. And how did you turn the faucet on? With your dirty hands. So, wash, dry with a paper towel, turn faucet off with paper towel.

By your logic then as soon as you get out of the bathroom and touch anything, then your hands aren't clean anymore. So what was the point in cleaning them? Being too much of a maniac with such thing is no good. Especially not for your kids: an environment that is too clean will prevent them from developing proper defenses and as soon as they'll be outside, they'll get sick like sissies all the time :-/

Few things you touch outside the bathroom will be as dirty as the sink faucet. But even so, I don't always wash my hands this way. I do in sensitive situations, though -- at the office where someone's always sick, when I'm preparing food, or when wounds / orifices are involved.

That's why I prefaced with "If your goal is to get clean." Sometimes it's just to satisfy a taboo. That's okay.

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by ebf »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #68
baddox wrote: post #66

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"Citation needed" is absolutely snarky, in the sense that it is highly critical. And it should be used consistently and unapologetically. Would you be snarky in your response to someone accusing you of being a witch? I hope so, and I hope you would point out that some evidence would be nice. Snarkily requesting evidence is not a bad quality in an online community—it's a vital one. Stating things as facts and refusing…

"Citation needed" is intellectually lazy. It is middlebrow dismissal's slightly more popular cousin. "Citation needed" is never a counter-argument, but often stands in place of one. It is the rhetorical equivalent of burying your opponent in discovery: it is a challenge that consists solely of expecting someone else to do more work than they would like to. If you have a question about something, ask. If you disagree…

If someone pushes a statement as a fact and not as their opinion then they better be prepared to back it up it with evidence. End of story.

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by ebf »

Retric wrote: post #64
ebf wrote: post #30

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Is it actually harder though? I don't think so. I think there is some truth to the idea that content over chrome is a good usability principle (obviously to an extent, Win8 takes it a little too far sometimes), and in my opinion, it is easier to learn proper use of whitespace and good typography than how to make textures and less "sterile" designs. My point is you are stating your opinion as if it is a truth, when it…

Your examples all have the content centered under a single column (which is a LOT of chrome), a flat design would have little to no margins. DF ( http://daringfireball.net/ ) even has site index which is another no no from a flat deign perspective. PS: Notice how both of these changes make the sight less user friendly?

When has flat design meant little to no margins? I'm genuinely curious about this interpretation of flat design.

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by sippndipp »

If you respect form follows function you can apply fashion to form. Now Apples "realism" seem to look old. In few years it's maybe in again. That's how fashion works.

Re: The Flat Sink

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Post by delluminatus »

baddox wrote: post #80
thaumaturgy wrote: post #68

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"Citation needed" is intellectually lazy. It is middlebrow dismissal's slightly more popular cousin. "Citation needed" is never a counter-argument, but often stands in place of one. It is the rhetorical equivalent of burying your opponent in discovery: it is a challenge that consists solely of expecting someone else to do more work than they would like to. If you have a question about something, ask. If you disagree…

If you're a skeptic (i.e. scientific skeptic), then you default to not believing a claim until evidence is introduced to support it. Is it intellectually lazy to say "citation needed" to someone that is accusing someone else of being a witch? I firmly believe that I have no obligation to prove that I am not a witch, and moreover that such attempts would be impossible. The person who makes a claim that has not been wi…

Thoughtlessly saying "citation needed" is a recipe for an insidious confirmation bias. It is always intellectually lazy, in the same way that blindly accepting provided claims is intellectually lazy: it allows the reader to avoid thinking about the claims in question.

Citing a study is not a panacea for bad ideas, and lacking citations is not a death sentence for truth. Hacker News saw an article just the other day on how many conclusions drawn by science are incorrect. Don't be so eager to avoid thinking critically that the presence or absence of a citation dictates your response to an essay.

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