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Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by terribleperson »

bigyabai wrote: post #228
terribleperson wrote: post #212

The Steam Frame looks like a heck of a device. At the cost, though, I question why they didn't include a better pass-through camera. A device with onboard processing and a good pass-through camera would be very neat. If they were trying to make this an affordable device I'd understand, but it's over a thousand dollars.

There's an accessory that adds high-res color passthrough: https://arcturus.vision/ > If they were trying to make this an affordable device I'd understand, but it's over a thousand dollars. It costs less than a third of the Vision Pro, and less than the Meta Quest Pro. It's relatively affordable, for a RAM crisis.

It has worse pass-through than the Quest 3, which is still much cheaper. That said, I'm now eyeing the Arcturus Vision camera, so thanks.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by terribleperson »

apatheticonion wrote: post #318

I know everyone is singing the praises of the Steam Frame's wireless capabilities but honestly, I just want my wired VR experience back. I had a Rift 2, Reverb G2, then Quest 2 and eventually Quest 3. Despite the Quest 3 having a resolution similar to the G2, it looked more like the Rift 2 than the awe inspiring G2. Wireless gaming never looked as sharp and streaming over USB was also a very poor experience, with inp…

Wireless gets better if you mount a dedicated AP on your wall, but that's a pretty big ask when an appropriate AP isn't cheap.

Steam Frame is solving this with a dedicated dongle, if I recall, which I think is a good choice.

Re: Steam Frame starts at $1059

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Post by terribleperson »

baby wrote: post #458
modeless wrote: post #266

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I think a hackable Linux PC in a VR headset is very exciting. But the major problem is the screen resolution is not good enough to make it a viable desktop replacement. It'll work great for gaming or media consumption, but reading smallish text will be difficult at best. If they made a more expensive version with a better display it would potentially be interesting as a portable workstation/laptop alternative. But I…

Why would you want to replace your desktop with this? I keep hearing things like that, but anyone who has tried VR knows that it's just never going to happen. VR's killer app is gaming, and that's it.

Once the resolution is there (which is taking an awful long time), you could have whatever 'monitor' setup you want in a small space.

Personally I wouldn't want to replace my desktop, but replacing my monitor? I'd do it if I could.

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Post by [deleted] »

solid_fuel wrote: post #617
WithinReason wrote: post #565

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You don't need $300 of ram and a $200 CPU to perform eye tracking, otherwise the Steam Frame would be able to do nothing else

If you read the chain of comments again you will notice that eye tracking is only one of several things that it is doing.

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Post by modeless »

utopiah wrote: post #618
modeless wrote: post #604

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I have used most of the major headsets. Vision Pro is close to monitor resolution but not quite there. Quest 3 and Steam Frame are nowhere near that. Vision Pro's ergonomics are bad, as are Quest 3's, but Bigscreen Beyond 2 is much, much better and could be acceptable for laptop replacement I think, especially with the flip-up halo band they are working on. For inputs, passthrough with keyboard and mouse/trackpad wou…

I'm not sure what you mean by monitor resolution but if you mean comparing the screen real estate you have in e.g. 32" flat area in an HMD versus a modern monitor it's both correct and irrelevant. Yes a relatively affordable modern monitor will have way better resolution compared to even the most expensive HMD but ... that's not correct since you can have whatever surface, even multiple layers, you can use as screen…

Angular resolution, not "screen real estate". It limits information density. Yes, the VR headsets have much higher FoV than a monitor, but it hardly matters for desktop work. Angular resolution is much higher on a monitor. Swiveling your head constantly to look at low-res windows floating all around absolutely sucks compared to having one monitor in front of you with higher information density. Varjo is the exception, and yes I'd say Varjo's resolution is good enough, but Vision Pro is borderline and Quest/Frame are much worse.

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Post by Rohansi »

swiftcoder wrote: post #507
Rohansi wrote: post #434

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It'll be highly dependent on the game. Unlike foveated streaming the implementation of foveated rendering could mean many things. Actually rendering at a lower resolution in areas you aren't actively looking is probably the most complicated approach because it seems like you'd have to render two times (low res + high res) to get the desired effect.

> Actually rendering at a lower resolution in areas you aren't actively looking is probably the most complicated approach because it seems like you'd have to render two times (low res + high res) to get the desired effect In the newer implementations, you can split the display into tiles, and render each tile at a different resolution, so it's not that bad. A bunch of the intermediate rendering targets are already re…

That's really cool to know, thanks for sharing!

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Post by spectre3d »

cestith wrote: post #583
shoobiedoo wrote: post #344

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> - There is still not a lot of great content around VR I'm sorry but, will there ever be? I've always been on the fence about VR, it looks great for flying/racing/space games, but there has been a lot of time since it seems to have peaked and the only killer app it has is Alyx which came out 6 years ago

VR might be worth it if there's a modern Descent VR and a modern X-wing vs TIE Fighter VR. Hawken was a fun game and I was looking forward to trying it in VR, but the servers are offline. There's a VR mod for Mechwarrior 5, and mech games do seem to be ripe for the VR picking. What I would really like to see next, though, isn't so much on the content side. Instead of putting everything in the headset and seeing how l…

Overload[0] is the modern version of Descent, made by the creators of Descent. It has standard VR support, but doesn’t work with motion controllers. Flight sticks, keyboard and mouse and other input devices work fine.

[0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/448850/Overload/

Try Underdogs for some fun mech action, “You control giant metal arms using your real-life hand movements to punch, bash, and tear enemies apart. Movement: You move around the arena by grabbing the floor with your hands.”

That’s on Steam and also on the Meta store to run directly on the Quest.

Also, find the Hawken discord where we meet for networked games on a community build of the old Hawken.

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Post by Craftyawesome »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #179
JeremyNT wrote: post #57

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The race/flight sim market is still going strong, but I guess it's the exception that proves the rule. It's extremely difficult to make a non-vehicle-based game that actually plays well in VR.

Incidentally I made a vehicle based game in VR ( https://roguestargun.com ), but currently I have no idea how to upload the APK to Steam to run on-device for the steam frame.

It is in their documentation.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamhardware/steamframe/...

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Post by WithinReason »

solid_fuel wrote: post #617
WithinReason wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need $300 of ram and a $200 CPU to perform eye tracking, otherwise the Steam Frame would be able to do nothing else

If you read the chain of comments again you will notice that eye tracking is only one of several things that it is doing.

why do you need 16GB of RAM for eye tracking and SLAM?

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Post by simoncion »

submain wrote: post #597
simoncion wrote: post #260

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> How long is that comfortable? It depends on the person. I can wear my Index on my head for like all day. I'm not sure what my longest Elite: Dangerous session was, but it was quite long. Other people find the same headset to be either too heavy or improperly balanced for wearing more than an hour or so at a time. As far as motion sickness goes, it has been my experience that you can train yourself out of it. Recomm…

Do you need to keep taking Dramamine, or do you adapt to it eventually?

Everyone I'm aware of adapts to it eventually unless they keep trying to power through the nausea. It's the basis for my

  ...which sets back the whole "Convince your stupid brain that the minor mismatches between the visuals and the inner-ear sensations are not the result of poisoning, so it doesn't need to make you puke your toenails off" training that you're doing...
statement. Having said that, I haven't met everyone... so it's possible that there are people who will never adapt.
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