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CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by phoghed »

wg0 wrote: post #26

I am concerned that what will happen to detailed technical write ups that defined much of the "technical internet space"? There used to be "CodeProject" (still is around probably) that used to have great articles on C, Windows Programming, Windows System programming and what not. Similar other sources on Web as well such as some TutPlus network. Now with LLMs, they won't gain attention and all knowledge would be stuc…

> it's not just an anti AI rant, it's a genuine open question

There will probably still be some passionate people dedicated to this kind of thing, but presumably not as many, which is unfortunate.

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by dofm »

IslandRebel wrote: post #110
dofm wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, sorry. There are things in that article that are really a long way beyond having been deceived. They cannot and must not be minimised in that way. And nobody who criticises them should feel any blame if he doubles down; he is a wealthy privileged white man who is solely responsible for the things he says.

> There are things in that article that are really a long way beyond having been deceived I don't believe so. Can you explain exactly how it is impossible he is deceived? > They cannot and must not be minimised in that way. Why not? To me what I described is what fits 100%. You just asserting that is the case hasn't explained why I might be incorrect. You clearly haven't taken what I've explained to you on board at a…

I am not going to waste my time watching videos about UFO nuts to try to gain insight into why what DHH said about London is somehow a result of him being deceived and not his own fully formed opinions that he affirmed by deliberately writing them in his blog.

He is a grown man. Be serious.

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by judah »

wg0 wrote: post #26

I am concerned that what will happen to detailed technical write ups that defined much of the "technical internet space"? There used to be "CodeProject" (still is around probably) that used to have great articles on C, Windows Programming, Windows System programming and what not. Similar other sources on Web as well such as some TutPlus network. Now with LLMs, they won't gain attention and all knowledge would be stuc…

FYI, CodeProject.com appears to have been shut down a few months ago. I used to visit (and contribute) to the site regularly through articles and Q&A answers. When StackOverflow took over, I moved most of my Q&A answers there, and I suspect many others did too.

The site languished until a few months ago when it started serving a blank page. Now it appears totally offline. ;-(

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by bilater »

Tbh I can't see how any site about tooling doesn't go the way of Stack Overflow. I used to follow the latest framework and CSS articles avidly. With agents it's a moot point.

It's sad. But rather than fight it, we should be thinking about what communities we form next, in a world where knowing flexbox tricks isn't a flex.

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by IslandRebel »

dofm wrote: post #112
IslandRebel wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are things in that article that are really a long way beyond having been deceived I don't believe so. Can you explain exactly how it is impossible he is deceived? > They cannot and must not be minimised in that way. Why not? To me what I described is what fits 100%. You just asserting that is the case hasn't explained why I might be incorrect. You clearly haven't taken what I've explained to you on board at a…

I am not going to waste my time watching videos about UFO nuts to try to gain insight into why what DHH said about London is somehow a result of him being deceived and not his own fully formed opinions that he affirmed by deliberately writing them in his blog. He is a grown man. Be serious.

All you are telling me is that you are going to be wilfully ignorant. That is intellectually dishonest.

Constantly reiterating that he can't have been deceived when I've told you how it happens to people and there are similar examples elsewhere is being an ignoramus.

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by AlienRobot »

bilater wrote: post #114

Tbh I can't see how any site about tooling doesn't go the way of Stack Overflow. I used to follow the latest framework and CSS articles avidly. With agents it's a moot point. It's sad. But rather than fight it, we should be thinking about what communities we form next, in a world where knowing flexbox tricks isn't a flex.

That's because those AI's were trained on existing "CSS tricks."

If people stop writing new CSS tricks, they will never make it into any dataset, and it won't matter if the AI can search the internet or not, because they won't be posted on the internet either.

Essentially, mass scraping has a chilling effect.

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by bilater »

AlienRobot wrote: post #116
bilater wrote: post #114

Tbh I can't see how any site about tooling doesn't go the way of Stack Overflow. I used to follow the latest framework and CSS articles avidly. With agents it's a moot point. It's sad. But rather than fight it, we should be thinking about what communities we form next, in a world where knowing flexbox tricks isn't a flex.

That's because those AI's were trained on existing "CSS tricks." If people stop writing new CSS tricks, they will never make it into any dataset, and it won't matter if the AI can search the internet or not, because they won't be posted on the internet either. Essentially, mass scraping has a chilling effect.

I think this assumes AI needs the same kinds of “tricks” humans do.

Flexbox, CSS Grid, etc. are mostly abstractions that make low-level DOM/layout control tractable for humans. But from first principles, an agent doesn’t really care whether the interface is elegant. If it can reliably manipulate the underlying system directly and verify the rendered output, it can just write whatever low-level code gets the pixels where they need to go.

So I don’t really buy that there’s some big missing abstraction layer left to invent for AI here. Once the agent can control and verify the underlying output, better human-facing wrappers mostly stop mattering.

Not talking about design trends, just the mechanics of producing the UI.

Re: CSS-Tricks in Limbo

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Post by dallen33 »

benatkin wrote: post #93
account42 wrote: post #14

Complaining that they give money to people you don't like is not a good look when you want them to give money to people you do like.

In this case you can judge for yourself if it's an overreaction. https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a

Holy shit, that blog post was insane. He's clearly a racist twat.
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