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Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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> I don’t like the idea that anything I say in a public setting or in a conversation with others could end up in a transcript summary on someone’s personal device. Pretty minor if it's just that individual. But for certain this means there is a transcript on Apple's servers that can be subpoenaed by law enforcement, or sooner or later, searchable without a warrant.

We really need to figure out how to encrypt everything on device with keys controlled by the owner of the device.

"We" could also just opt-out of purchasing/using all of this crap.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it’s bad even for an individual why does someone I speak to need to ever have a transcript of our chat? I understand in a professional setting but if we’re just having a drink its weird

Because having a chat with you was special and I want to remember it but my aging fallible human brain is going to forget it, so I'd like to be able to remember it and hold on to and cherish that moment we shared.

Then write a note, stop recording me.

If you can't be bothered, it wasn't that meaningful or important.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Just like running your own mail server doesn't help when nearly everyone you talk to uses GMail, simply not using these devices yourself is likely not to make much difference.

We just have to make it the cool thing to run your own mail server. B-)

I think it's cool, and completely necessary. No need to be compatible with old email, really.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Many geeks are the embodiment of the "don't trust the government" / "don't trust corporations" counterculture, but when equity grants entered the equation, we architected much of the modern techno-surveillance state. Flock is an YC company. Probably a quarter of the people who frequent this site work at Meta or Google.

We're always eager to say how much we dislike it, but there's so little self-reflection in our community.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it’s bad even for an individual why does someone I speak to need to ever have a transcript of our chat? I understand in a professional setting but if we’re just having a drink its weird

Because having a chat with you was special and I want to remember it but my aging fallible human brain is going to forget it, so I'd like to be able to remember it and hold on to and cherish that moment we shared.

It's special because it's ephemeral.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Surveillance isnt a problem until people use it for personal gain

Yes but here is the catch. Surveillance comes with the incentives to us it for the personal gain. Or to phrase this differently: knowledge is power and thus the people who are already in power have good motivation to accumulate as much knowledge as possible in order to stay in power.

It is very easy to take the philosophical stance where every concept can be totally detached from the incentives it creates and the social dynamics it is part of. It is easy to take that stance, but it is very hard to use that stance to explain reality, because reality plays by more complex rules.

Please, always consider the status quo and the incentives involved instead of stating the surveillance equivalent of "weapons don't kill, people do".

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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"The primary antagonist for freedom of thought in the beginning of our struggle was the Universal Catholic Church, an institution directed at the control of thought in the European world, based around weekly surveillance of the conduct and thoughts of every human being, based around the censorship of all reading material and in the end based upon the ability to predict and to punish unorthodox thought.

The tools available for thought control in early modern Europe were poor even by 20th century standards, but they worked. And for hundreds of years, the struggle primarily centered around that increasingly important first mass manufactured article in Western culture: the book. Whether you could print them, possess them, traffic in them, read them, teach from them without the permission or control of an entity empowered to punish thought.

By the end of the 17th century censorship of written material in Europe had begun to break down first in the Netherlands then in the UK then afterwards in waves throughout the European world and the book became an article of subversive commerce and began eating away at the control of thought.

By the late 18th century that struggle for the freedom of reading had begun to attack the substance of Christianity itself and the European world trembled on the brink of the first great revolution of the mind. It spoke of “liberté, égalité, fraternité”, but actually it meant freedom to think differently." -- https://archive.org/details/EbenMoglenRepublica2012

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