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Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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I've experimented with things like this, e.g., the Narrative Clip. I think the concept is quite novel and interesting, but the privacy implications are just far too gross for anything outside of an experiment. Of all companies, I find it appalling that it's Apple implementing this one.

I don't even know how this is supposed to work e.g., in states with call recording legislation, let alone any new legislation. It feels utterly appalling that every Apple watch could theoretically be recording all surroundings now.

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The legal implications of these devices are just baffling. I see Meta glasses being sold where I live. The law states that you cannot photograph of film people without their consent, even in the street where there are other people around ...

Now it will also be voice recording one has to be aware off ?

Is that the AI future we want or need?

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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> I don’t like the idea that anything I say in a public setting...could end up in a transcript summary on someone’s personal device.

My friend, if there's a reporter standing behind you, it could end up on the nightly news. And it's been that way forever. Certainly, a plethora of terrifyingly broad data collection greatly exacerbates the problem, but it's not a new problem.

> bla bla bla...Amazon Echo...listening in on us without our knowledge or consent. I've lost track of how many times I've experienced or heard others...discussing a particular topic...and then as soon as they get on Facebook...they see posts and ads featuring the very topic they were discussing.

There are lots of real problems with surveillance tech, but the stuff about smart speakers specifically is still a dumb conspiracy theory. People are CONSTANTLY testing the hardware in these things and watching network activity. They really are not listening to you, and blindly repeating this claim greatly harms your credibility.

> bla bla bla...George Orwell envisioned in his dystopian novel 1984

Okay, new rule, these articles need to pick at least one other dystopian novel. There are so many. What's wrong with Fahrenheigh 451, where the government had everyone look out their doors in a mass manhunt? That's a good one! Use it to talk about Ring cameras or something.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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Cell phones are so useful that I'm not surprised that people are willing to bug themselves and their homes with them, but wearables offer so much less while being just as invasive. I suspect that people will take the bait anyway. I don't see very many "glassholes" running around though, and there was a lot of pushback against "friend" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_(product)

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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> I don’t like the idea that anything I say in a public setting...could end up in a transcript summary on someone’s personal device. My friend, if there's a reporter standing behind you, it could end up on the nightly news. And it's been that way forever. Certainly, a plethora of terrifyingly broad data collection greatly exacerbates the problem, but it's not a new problem. > bla bla bla...Amazon Echo...listening in…

> My friend, if there's a reporter standing behind you, it could end up on the nightly news

It's a matter of scale. Now everybody with a device is a reporter.

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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post #3

The legal implications of these devices are just baffling. I see Meta glasses being sold where I live. The law states that you cannot photograph of film people without their consent, even in the street where there are other people around ... Now it will also be voice recording one has to be aware off ? Is that the AI future we want or need?

> The law states that you cannot photograph of film people without their consent, even in the street

What country do you live in? This is almost certainty not true in the US

Re: Dystopian Surveillance Is Becoming a Reality

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> I don’t like the idea that anything I say in a public setting or in a conversation with others could end up in a transcript summary on someone’s personal device.

Pretty minor if it's just that individual. But for certain this means there is a transcript on Apple's servers that can be subpoenaed by law enforcement, or sooner or later, searchable without a warrant.

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