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Let's make quality the norm again
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Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure, it's a Google Pixel. But a smartphone would probably fall into the "unless I have to" category. What's your point?
Wow defensive much? I was just curious to see if you’d found a non-Chinese phone and/or computer anywhere. Chill out man.
No idea what you're talking about, I just replied to your message normally
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's because something is better than nothing when it comes to software. Which people always forget. Is eating spoiled food which gives you a disease better than not eating anything? No, it's worse, and therefore the minimum quality regulations make sense. Is having low quality software better than not having any software? Yes, in almost all cases it is better. So a minimum quality regulation doesn't make sense. When…
> When people put quality requirements too high on software, we get situations where This is a common trope of the unregulated: We can’t raise quality because we can barely deliver as it is . The real message there is that the user should suffer so that you won’t.
I'm a consumer of software, not a developer. And I can tell you that as a consumer I always prefer something over nothing. If you can do it better, you have a golden opportunity, which you should take, to deliver something better to the market. Otherwise, you haven't much reason to complain that other people are doing at least something.
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Once they reach the limit of demand, then there's nothing more to be made in that price category, so they get more by selling out and lowering quality and price. We're going through massive global depopulation in the entire industrialized world. There are no new customers coming and sales will naturally trend down because of human extermination. Once everybody has an electric shaver, then you know that the next gener…
Or you could just be happy to have a profitable company that makes money consistently. Shavers don't last for ever and new people grow up every day. You could also just launch a new product line that's cheaper without compromising the existing ones. But nooo we need infinite growth which is impossible so let's run the company into the ground for some more growth before our shit decisions catch up to us and stock pric…
If your customer base is declining, your company isn't making money consistently. Revenues and profits will decline accordingly.
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, this is why we have regulation. The CE mark in Europe and the UL mark in the US is supposed to provide a floor on quality. That floor can be increased if we as a society decides that this is required. You might be unwilling to pay for this increased quality, but you don't have a choice.
The CE mark is worthless, since it is a self-certificaton. The UL mark is valuable, as are the other test lab marks. However, while an ethical storefront would require it, Amazon does not. I've bought plenty of things that are not listed, and if I want safe products I generally have to include "UL" or "ETL" in my search. Even that doesn't always work, I've seen products on there claiming a listing in the title but ph…
This is also solvable through regulation though.
For example, NYC now requires all sold e bikes to be UL certified because of too many apartment lithium battery fires.
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#136This is a false pretense. Quality was never the norm.
What is no longer the norm is getting first-hand experience with a product before you buy it. Everything comes in the mail and it's a surprise to the consumer after they buy it. That's nuts!
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#137One big problem is that prices are easy to compare, while quality is not. I recently bought a tub that was advertised as stainless steel on Amazon. I was suspicious but decided to take a chance. Turns out it is galvanized, not stainless. I’m not sure the average person knows the difference. To be charitable, perhaps that’s even why the listing advertised it that way. But the difference matters significantly in terms…
I finally subscribed to consumer reports. It is the only independent place we can trust for that information. However they only review a subset of the things I want to buy.
Why do you trust Consumer Reports?
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#138This is a false pretense. Quality was never the norm. What is no longer the norm is getting first-hand experience with a product before you buy it. Everything comes in the mail and it's a surprise to the consumer after they buy it. That's nuts!
Seriously. Did this person never have to fix relatives' IE6?
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Competition partially causes this though. When you have 100 brands selling the same thing it became a race to the lowest price.
My experience is competition invokes two races happening at the same time, one for lowest price and one for highest quality. You can get a cheap car or really high quality car. Same goes for clothes, restaurants, basically anything where there is lots of market choices and competition.
An Audi typically requires more maintenance and repair than a Toyota though. You’re not paying for quality (as in durability/longevity)
Re: Let's make quality the norm again
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, this is why we have regulation. The CE mark in Europe and the UL mark in the US is supposed to provide a floor on quality. That floor can be increased if we as a society decides that this is required. You might be unwilling to pay for this increased quality, but you don't have a choice.
Where on earth are you getting that "CE mark" == quality?
They said "supposed to provide a floor on quality".