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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

NietTim wrote: post #302
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A nationwide railway disruption on September 15th is some weird stuff, my friend

Out of all the ignorant comments in this thread that clearly do not know what is happening in the netherlands and are just assuming wild stuff, you made the most insane one. Congratulations.

Thank you.

I appreciate that you know what is happening near you and in your homeland. As the snowclone could go, "think locally, speak globally"? My epistemology in this regard is unfortunately limited to concrete measurements, such as the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

The English Wikipedia is such an unreliable source, that I could not even be certain whether Mary of Hungary was born in 1505.

I am sorry that I have allowed the bigger picture, or mere coincidence and happenstance, to cloud my opinion of your yearly ceremony and the annoying disruption to your daily commute.

"History may not repeat itself, but it does often rhyme." -- unknown

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Post by kreetx »

cpursley wrote: post #253
koiueo wrote: post #224

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Russia is not even in the top 20 countries who consume the most alcohol: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-c...

Interesting point. It seems that they have simply improved in this metric over the past decades, but the stereotype is stuck in the Soviet era.

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Post by redog »

misja111 wrote: post #306
apt-get wrote: post #3

Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

Surely there is a lot of Russian-motivated sabotage going on in Europe, but there's another group that might be motivated: exactly today, a major farmer demonstration was already planned. They way they usually go ahead in the Netherlands is drive with their tractors over the highways towards The Hague, where our government is based. Obviously this leads to massive traffic jams. A simultaneous disruption of the Dutch…

Or the other group, instead of actually being motivated are being influenced by the those who would benefit even more from the distribution of chaos.

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Post by account42 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #239
galangalalgol wrote: post #208

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It seems unlikely they would let any political divisions or legitimate grievances go unexploited. It is their cultural core competency for centuries. That does not mean the greivances being exploited aren't valid, or that the parties themselves don't aid in the fracture so they don't have to worry about competition with parties whose ideology is too close to theirs. Edit: This is reductive, Russia has tons of culture…

But all those political divisions are a result of national politics of those countries. People want higher wages, less taxes, affordable housing, more recently cheaper gas/diesel, and in the last decade (or more in some places), less foreign migrants. If no other political party will do anything about that, people are forced to vote for Alternatives (intentionally capitalized). Especially after all the anti-russian p…

Calling them incompetent gives them the benefit of the doubt which they do not deserve.

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Post by wbeckler »

somenameforme wrote: post #273
kakacik wrote: post #209

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There was recently this german lady reporter who posed as actively pro-Putin for few months and it didn't take long for fsb/gru to come to her online. It started small, just check this or that, little favor there but soon escalated to proper spycraft. Some other folks reported having death threats against family. Its for peanuts, few hundred euros mostly. They just need to find the dumbest and most desperate folks to…

The chances of this being real are basically zero, or Russia would be getting double agented, and reverse intelling themselves, out the arse. Instead all we get are attempts to connect random events, of which there are endless viable suspects, to Russia. It's fair to say that if one jumps in the middle of a fight, they should expect to get punched, but it's also fair to say that for now Russia has been avoiding throw…

Here's the article in Germany about the incident: https://www.rtl.de/news/russische-spionage-rtl-reporter-unde...

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Post by consp »

zergrush wrote: post #315

Why do people automatically jump to conclusion that it was Russia in the comments? They haven't even released any evidence or investigation yet in official sense.

Highly likely associated with yearly national budget fiesta. No reason for foreign interference, we can easily mess it up on our own.

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Post by nmeofthestate »

IAmBroom wrote: post #267
nmeofthestate wrote: post #211

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We should see some claim of responsibility if it was indeed anyone other than the usual suspects.

Why? Russia gains nothing from taking responsibility.

No I agree with that, but if it's "activists" I would expect them to claim credit otherwise it's all pointless. The same doesn't follow for Russian fuckery, IMO.

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Post by mcphage »

DrScientist wrote: post #217
pjc50 wrote: post #149

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Really Western Europe has been ignoring Russia's war for far too long; the MH17 shootdown was in 2014 and the situation has only deteriorated since then.

Not sure how MH17 shooting is relevant here. While the consensus is that it's likely a Russia controlled/allied battery shot it down - I'm not sure anybody thinks it was anything other than an accident, not an intentional act of sabotage.

> I'm not sure anybody thinks it was anything other than an accident

How do you accidentally shoot down a passenger airplane?

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Post by consp »

misja111 wrote: post #306
apt-get wrote: post #3

Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

Surely there is a lot of Russian-motivated sabotage going on in Europe, but there's another group that might be motivated: exactly today, a major farmer demonstration was already planned. They way they usually go ahead in the Netherlands is drive with their tractors over the highways towards The Hague, where our government is based. Obviously this leads to massive traffic jams. A simultaneous disruption of the Dutch…

Quite easy to go from a misdemeanor to terrorism charge if you sabotage the train network. IMHO likely those ** farmers causing insane amounts of damage while getting a slap on the wrist every time, that has to end. At least the climate activists only block one highway which you can work around. Unless it turns out it's them. Then they need be treated the same but it's not their MO.
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