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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Checking some other calendars yields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nazi_Germany#National_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Text_of_the_law... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Days_of_Repentance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Democracy...

Prinsjesdag is held on the third tuesday of september. You are trying to insinuate some weird stuff.

A nationwide railway disruption on September 15th is some weird stuff, my friend

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Wont donate anything to Ukraine – hopefully the part of my family from there has managed to bring out their boys. Yes, busification is a thing over there, "mate". If the useful idiots here in Europe are strong enough to back a political decision to go to war with Russia, I'm out. But you can go and fight, "mate". Edit: Seeing you're profiteering from the war [0], case closed I guess. [0] https://sevenseed.eu/ "Seven…

I’m not profiting from the war, I’m donating my time. Idfk what’s wrong with you. (I mean, I know exactly what’s wrong with you… but you get my drift)

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Not asserting this is definitely a Russian op (given the amount of simultaneous farmers' protests and all in NL today), but their modus operandi for foreign operations of this kind involves paying random thugs a few hundred to a couple thousand euros to carry out acts of sabotage using whatever items they have on hand. The items don't need to match, the people involved don't need to know each other.

It's odd that you would jump to "Russian op" and hedging by _not_ asserting that it is "definitely" one; but it very well could also be and arguably even is far more likely an act by someone who would benefit form scaring the public and manipulating the affected governments. I'm not going to assert at all, one way or another who it may be because it could be several actors with interests in producing outcomes of fear…

The ruling class in Europe needs this war for economic reasons. They're orchestrating and selling it to the public by constant fear mongering and provoking conflict.

Even in a relatively intelligent crowd like this forum, people are gullible and easily guided to hate the Other: red ("communists", Russia, China); brown (immigrants, Muslims, Iran); or green ("far left", environmental and civil rights activists). They hate us for our freedoms!

Be afraid, people, and keep funnelling billions of your tax money into the pockets of the rich who profit from literal conspiracy, mass murder and war crimes. No wonder we have endless conflict and fascism on the rise around the world. There's so much money to be made from war and hate, defrauding the public for generations.

How can we not see it, it's the same playbook again and again. One day we will have to face the true evil, the traitors of humanity, the enemy within.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Yeah, my bet is on the farmers. The locations where this happened are all pretty rural and farmers have announced havy actions today. We in NL need to be more concerned about domestic terrorism than the Russians at the moment. Though I'm sure Russian money and bots are involved in some way.

You think farmers are willing to risk the murder of hundreds of their fellow countrymen as a form of protest? That’s plain terrorism.

Yes, I definitely think they are willing. I don't think all farmers are, not even that many of them are, but I think some are.

Some of them already dumped asbestos on highways, which to me is beyond what any reasonable person would do.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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It's crazy how much deference is given to farmers compared to every other occupation. If the garbage men started dumping the contents of garbage bags in public places I bet they will not be given a free pass.

You can go a long while without your trash being taken away for you.. you can't go very long without food.

Most of the food the farmers produce in the Netherlands is exported.

Meanwhile, trash piles up quickly: https://nltimes.nl/2023/02/07/utrecht-garbage-strike-comes-e...

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Russia is not even in the top 20 countries who consume the most alcohol: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-c...

Yet the one who is the most proud of it

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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I don't think they look similar, the synchronicity notwithstanding. The sabotage in France was a 250–300 kg rail fragment (per your link). The objects in the Netherlands look much smaller, and look like they're intended to short-circuit two rails to trigger a signal fault. In one place they found car jumper cables with clamps attached to both rails, https://nos.nl/video/2631081-startkabels-van-spoor-bij-meppe... ( "S…

Not asserting this is definitely a Russian op (given the amount of simultaneous farmers' protests and all in NL today), but their modus operandi for foreign operations of this kind involves paying random thugs a few hundred to a couple thousand euros to carry out acts of sabotage using whatever items they have on hand. The items don't need to match, the people involved don't need to know each other.

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Why would you want to keep it deniable? What's the point in this sort of sabotage if nobody knows you did it?

The ideal scenario is everyone suspects it's you but can't prove it. You have both the desired threat, but no concrete biases for an official response. Also an uncertainty limits action - it might be a random event, it could even be a false flag. One of the problem's here is narratives are being spun by multiple actors and it depends on who you believe.

Right, but you absolutely need the suspicion. If it's too deniable, it rather loses efficacy. It seems in this situation it could be any number of actors, which rather dilutes any intended message.
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