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Re: Java 27

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Post by madduci »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #16
moomin wrote: post #5

C# dev here: it’s amazing how different this is from a Microsoft release. First off, Oracle are doing versions at approximately twice the cadence. But also, and I’m guessing this is a function of the much larger Java audience: things rarely get two preview versions in a proper release. Updates in beta versions, yes, all the time. It also feels like Microsoft are bundling a lot more into the platform and leaving less…

I never thought of Java being the 'move fast ~and break things~' alternative over .NET, but Java has a faster release schedule to get features out sooner.

Seriously, how many are using always the latest releases of Java instead the LTS ones? With LTS ones you have ~2/3 years between the versions.

Re: Java 27

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Post by marginalia_nu »

Horffupolde wrote: post #15

Serious question: when should one use Java for greenfield projects in 2026?

Not at all a bad choice.

It's stable to the point of boring, and there's no shortage of people who know the language and can work with it, it's got best in class tooling, decades worth of libraries almost all very mature. Most of the language's issues are from legacy code bases coded in a style that isn't really relevant to a greenfield project.

Re: Java 27

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Post by marginalia_nu »

taspeotis wrote: post #13
azatom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's on you bc it was (arguably but still) dead 17 years ago. edit: don't get me wrong, i am not here to hate java, but bc i am also ... hm necrophil :)

17 years is a rookie number. Take C# auto-properties, for example: 19 years ago! Now try asking, "When did Java get auto-properties?"

News at 11.

Language that runs on the explicit design philosophy of letting other languages experiment first and then incorporating their lessons learned once the dust has settled is late to implement a feature.

Re: Java 27

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Post by petilon »

moomin wrote: post #5

C# dev here: it’s amazing how different this is from a Microsoft release. First off, Oracle are doing versions at approximately twice the cadence. But also, and I’m guessing this is a function of the much larger Java audience: things rarely get two preview versions in a proper release. Updates in beta versions, yes, all the time. It also feels like Microsoft are bundling a lot more into the platform and leaving less…

> Microsoft are bundling a lot more into the platform and leaving less to the community.

This is a good thing. In Java everything has multiple community offerings, so before doing anything you have to evaluate the community offerings and decide which one to go with. If you go with the wrong one you may end up having to switch at some point, and that can be painful. This happens so often that most of the time spent when using Java is doing these evaluations and comparisons. With C# you just use the one built into .NET platform. Saves a ton of time.

Re: Java 27

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Post by Phelinofist »

moomin wrote: post #5

C# dev here: it’s amazing how different this is from a Microsoft release. First off, Oracle are doing versions at approximately twice the cadence. But also, and I’m guessing this is a function of the much larger Java audience: things rarely get two preview versions in a proper release. Updates in beta versions, yes, all the time. It also feels like Microsoft are bundling a lot more into the platform and leaving less…

> Also, the page reads like an open source “We’re finished, we’re tired.”

I mean it's short and concise and there are additional resources that provide more detail. IMHO it's not a bad thing.

Re: Java 27

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Post by jayd16 »

BatchJob wrote: post #28
moomin wrote: post #5

C# dev here: it’s amazing how different this is from a Microsoft release. First off, Oracle are doing versions at approximately twice the cadence. But also, and I’m guessing this is a function of the much larger Java audience: things rarely get two preview versions in a proper release. Updates in beta versions, yes, all the time. It also feels like Microsoft are bundling a lot more into the platform and leaving less…

razzmatazz? Do you mean marketing lies and self aggrandizement for merely doing shoddy work?

Mads Torgersen's previews and such are enjoyable and upbeat, for example.

Re: Java 27

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Post by Betelbuddy »

moomin wrote: post #5

C# dev here: it’s amazing how different this is from a Microsoft release. First off, Oracle are doing versions at approximately twice the cadence. But also, and I’m guessing this is a function of the much larger Java audience: things rarely get two preview versions in a proper release. Updates in beta versions, yes, all the time. It also feels like Microsoft are bundling a lot more into the platform and leaving less…

>> Oracle are doing versions at approximately twice the cadence.

This has nothing to do with Oracle. All good that you hear from Java in the last few years, is the great community and good old people from Sun working at Oracle.

Re: Java 27

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Post by foolfoolz »

Horffupolde wrote: post #15

Serious question: when should one use Java for greenfield projects in 2026?

java is a great language for server side projects. it is actively maintained, the biggest issues with it have JEPs, and it’s very friendly to AI authors
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