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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by ngvrnd »

jbs789 wrote: post #528
askvictor wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure of the intent, but I have variously thought of starting a business based on an idea or gap in the market I could fill with my coding skills... only to realise running a business is not fun at all. Even getting an app published in the app store (and maintaining it) is a level of boredom I can't be bothered with. So maybe that's a use case. Of course, nowadays the coding part will be done by an agent too…

I use the coding tools in my business. I wouldn’t for a moment suggest those tools are capable of “running” a business and I think it is disingenuous to suggest so.

Sure, but it's only disingenuous until someone does it. Maybe this isn't it, ok. Better to criticize it on specific grounds of failure.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by treapassing-sil »

wordpad wrote: post #389
treapassing-sil wrote: post #380

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Honestly growing up, I always assumed everyone could be creative. Until I started asking people to randomly create a name for a fictional character. Blows my mind how many people won't or can't do it.

I still get anxiety thinking back to picking a gamer tag or email username and not coming up with anything original despite unlimited options. Its hard to be creative without any constraints.

Never understood that. Until I witnessed exGF sweat bullets trying to do them same. You're not alone.

Group of friends I grew up with would challenge each other to say nonsense or make random lyrics to songs. NO clue it would actually turn into a creativity skill. Give it a try.

'Hatch free tent by red barn stunt over the objective'

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by fatata123 »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

sharemywin wrote: post #570
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

I wonder if any of there businesses are profitable?

Maybe very passive businesses which are basically just capital investments with some paper pushing (e.g. real estate slumlord).

But these types of businesses don’t really create value as much as seek rent.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by jbs789 »

ngvrnd wrote: post #571
jbs789 wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the coding tools in my business. I wouldn’t for a moment suggest those tools are capable of “running” a business and I think it is disingenuous to suggest so.

Sure, but it's only disingenuous until someone does it. Maybe this isn't it, ok. Better to criticize it on specific grounds of failure.

I guess it comes down to definition of “running”. Maybe running means automating some number of functions. I read it initially as running as a CEO does, which includes a whole lot more.

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Post by grvdrm »

bmau5 wrote: post #268
grvdrm wrote: post #250

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Do I understand correctly that by using your machine and Claude Code or something like it you are avoiding API pricing?

I do the same thing with my subscriptions. Haven't checked the math lately but it seemed more cost effective in the past.

How do you orchestrate the various machines? Sounds like a great idea.

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Post by iwontberude »

ryan_n wrote: post #557
unclebucknasty wrote: post #504

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I still have to remind Ai not to use the n+1 pattern in queries, and fight it to stop using inconsistent inline styles vs classes, even within a single page. How are people getting this "waste of time not to use AI" and "generates 99% of my code" level of code quality? I know people's response will likely be something, something, "add instructions to memory to not use n+1", etc. But if the Ai wants to generate code t…

The truth is people just don't seem care about code quality anymore (if they ever did?). I don't think it generates great code (yes even using the state of the art, frontier, super max pro 9000 turbo boost ++ models), but it usually generates code that works. Sadly, that's all that most of the people in charge care about. I mean shit, half the time it doesn't even have to work great, look at the state of a lot of mod…

It’s quite an uncanny alignment with Nvidia and other semiconductor companies that benefit from their customers to bloating software and buying as many of their chips with no real thought given to efficiency of the runtime.

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Post by tantalor »

mitxela wrote: post #487
nonethewiser wrote: post #354

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You mean seed the context with random information then ask it to ideate on something totally unrelated? Like you want it to figure out how to get som information in front of potential customers in a cost effective way but first you give it articles on Witchita, Kansas, the curling iron, and List of Italian Brands?

That's how I understood it! Clever hack. You'll get more varied ideas by using many different seeds, than if you didn't use a seed and just asked the LLM in a fresh context.

Reminds of Freudian dream analysis.

The actual content of the dream is meaningless, lacks symbolism, but it prompts the patient to think deeply about personal feelings and memories that might otherwise not surface to conscious level.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by iforgotmypasswo »

nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

That’s a user error. Tell it to utilize a UI component library to separate styling from feature implementation and add tests which fail any feature level component outside of the UI component library which directly specify style.

As a bonus, you can now easily reskin and maintain dark and light modes.

I agree with your main point though. AI isn’t trained to run a company, it’s trained to solve complex puzzles. We’ll need better models with substantially diversified training to run a company.

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Post by iwontberude »

s_dev wrote: post #540
jbs789 wrote: post #502

If you have an agent that can run a business, then… why not… run a business? Why does YC bother financing startups led by founders, if the AI can just do it? (This startup proudly remarks that it’s backed by YC)

A startup and a business aren't the same thing in the eyes of YC. https://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html A business is web store selling coffee cups where the bottom line governs it's continuation. A startup is ambitious project where a growth rate governs it's continuation. The end result of a business is a lemonade stand or a barber or donut shop, the end result of a startup is OpenAI or Google.

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