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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

#181

I don't understand. What does this have to do with HN, the typical topics, and the typical users who come here?

You're right, this is a political topic.

What one can do is provide accurate information on the one hand, and maybe flag the topic on the other.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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By reading multiple sources by different parties and thinking for yourself. Truth is the first casualty of war.

And are these multiple sources 50% biased towards one side and 50% biased towards the other side? If so, how can you tell? And are you doing an average of what "the truth" is at the end?

You wait for 20 or more years for documents become unclassified and historians to do their job.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Sad to see so many people here in the comments jump the gun and think of Russia. Some local context: Today is "prinsjesdag" when the budget is announced. Protests are common, particularly when sensitive decisions are made. There are multiple organized protest movements in the country that have used physical force in the past and some of them had announced protests for today. Could it be Russia? Yes. But local protest…

If this was a protest it would be clear who did it. The farmers' have no incentive to mess with infrastructure without being visible for their cause.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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post #132

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Exactly this, and also they are trying to keep some deniability here, so variations are good.

Why would you want to keep it deniable? What's the point in this sort of sabotage if nobody knows you did it?

They seem to be very good at "mob tactics."

No one can prove anything, for example, but anyone knows that people that piss Putin off, need to stay away from windows in high places.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

#187

Europeans don't realise how close war is to their homes. Russia won't stop unless it's stopped.

>Europeans don't realise how close war is to their homes.

I would add 'Western-' to that. The Eastern Europeans are keenly aware, have been for years.

- Dutch person.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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> Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France From what I read, the similarity ends in “both involved trains”. This chain of attacks seems to have used short metal pipes (“Footage published by Dutch public broadcaster NOS on Tuesday showed police carrying what appeared to be metal pipes - about 1.5 metres (5ft) long”) to short a connection, making safety systems signal “there’s a…

Could be also rogue farmers paid by Russia. Easiest way for Russia to cause havoc in Europe is through exploiting existing political issues.

The easiest way to hide the incompetence of local european politics, be it expensive diesel or the upcoming economic prices is to blame it all on russia.

Volkswagen is laying off 100k of workers, because they can't make cars people can afford anymore... blame russia! Germans fed up with merz and vote afd? Russia! Macron doesn't even have 20% of support in polls anymore? Russia! Stub your pinky on the corner of the bed? russia!

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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It's odd that you would jump to "Russian op" and hedging by _not_ asserting that it is "definitely" one; but it very well could also be and arguably even is far more likely an act by someone who would benefit form scaring the public and manipulating the affected governments. I'm not going to assert at all, one way or another who it may be because it could be several actors with interests in producing outcomes of fear…

> One thing that logic would dictate though is that Russia would be extremely low on the list of suspects since they gain nothing and are negatively affected in every manner possible by being in any way behind such actions. Or one could choose not to take this in isolation from all the acts of brazen and identified sabotage Russia does, slashing deep-sea cables in international waters with their shadow fleets, organi…

Just like North Stream 2? /s
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