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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by on_the_train »

mschuster91 wrote: post #10
maxboone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know whether this was Russia, it's just as likely it was the "farmers defence force" or climate activists. Edit: some context as I'm looking like a Russian shill now, which I understand. Today is the day that the budget gets announced, and the farmer terrorist organization (farmer defence force) have announced actions - and have disrupted highways by setting bales of hay on fire, and all the disruptions happ…

if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Russia started with the hybrid war psyops shit, they don't get to complain about false accusations.

We've had a bunch of these acts of terrorism in Germany in the recent years. Mostly power, but also train and industrial targets. They all came from the same source, which is very much not Russian.

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Post by maxboone »

wickedsight wrote: post #16
maxboone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know whether this was Russia, it's just as likely it was the "farmers defence force" or climate activists. Edit: some context as I'm looking like a Russian shill now, which I understand. Today is the day that the budget gets announced, and the farmer terrorist organization (farmer defence force) have announced actions - and have disrupted highways by setting bales of hay on fire, and all the disruptions happ…

Yeah, my bet is on the farmers. The locations where this happened are all pretty rural and farmers have announced havy actions today. We in NL need to be more concerned about domestic terrorism than the Russians at the moment. Though I'm sure Russian money and bots are involved in some way.

Definitely, and destabilizing by proxy is still an attack

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Post by maxboone »

j-pb wrote: post #11
maxboone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know whether this was Russia, it's just as likely it was the "farmers defence force" or climate activists. Edit: some context as I'm looking like a Russian shill now, which I understand. Today is the day that the budget gets announced, and the farmer terrorist organization (farmer defence force) have announced actions - and have disrupted highways by setting bales of hay on fire, and all the disruptions happ…

Ah yes, climate activists are widely known for hating public transport especially trains.

I wouldn't say they are widely known for hating the electric grid but hey here we are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_arson_attack_on_the_Berli...

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by bilekas »

dakolli wrote: post #23
sorenjan wrote: post #12

A Russian warship fired flares at a Danish military helicopter in international waters in the Baltic sea too. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwn8mjl31p5yo

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They have a habit of being involved. It's not exactly plucked out of thin air!

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by crote »

embedding-shape wrote: post #4
scrollaway wrote: post #2

Little by little, people are realising that Europe is at war. Politicians are trying so hard not to say it because of the implications, but there’s only so long you can keep your head buried in the sand. We’re under constant attacks from Russia… drones, sabotage, cyberattacks, propaganda campaigns derailing our elections… I’m sick of it.

Yeah, not sure why not at least being upfront about the possibility is so hard. In Spain we've had train derailments, flocks of people being directed on social media to force themselves across borders, subterfuge deluxe everywhere and what not, yet the government is mostly silent and claim it's all unrelated, but it's hard to not also see the parallels across the continent and reach your own conclusions. But then als…

Russia isn't the only group interested in doing terrorism in The Netherlands. Recently the Farmers Defense Force and Extinction Rebellion have caused far greater disruption.

Could it be Russia? Obviously. But in my opinion the odds are less than a coin flip.

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Post by qwertox »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #15

So today's the yearly presentation of the new budget, with protests expected in several places. Whether this sabotage campaign is (part of a) misguided protest action or something else is yet to be determined. https://nos.nl/liveblog/2631038-nog-steeds-nieuwe-sabotageac... (Use google translate to read)

https://nos-nl.translate.goog/liveblog/2631038-hooibalen-in-...

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by HelloUsername »

Might be related to today's yearly 'Prinsjesdag' in the Netherlands:

The day on which the reigning monarch of the Netherlands addresses a joint session of the States-General of the Netherlands (consisting of the Senate and the House of Representatives) to give the Speech from the Throne (Dutch: Troonrede), similar to the annual State of the Union in the United States or the British State Opening of Parliament. This speech sets out the main features of government policy for the coming parliamentary session.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prinsjesdag

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by hhh »

n4r9 wrote: post #14
maxboone wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know whether this was Russia, it's just as likely it was the "farmers defence force" or climate activists. Edit: some context as I'm looking like a Russian shill now, which I understand. Today is the day that the budget gets announced, and the farmer terrorist organization (farmer defence force) have announced actions - and have disrupted highways by setting bales of hay on fire, and all the disruptions happ…

Don't you think those groups would have claimed responsibility by now?

no? if you are diligent you can say nothing and people will hopefully attribute it to your enemies and you get off with your own ploy of looking peaceful and harmless
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