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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by WASDx »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #504
_zoltan_ wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is a waste of time right now not to use AI to write code. It's the same category of "artisan code" like "artisan cheese": you can do it if you have a ton of free time as a hobby but other than a hobby? Not worth it.

I still have to remind Ai not to use the n+1 pattern in queries, and fight it to stop using inconsistent inline styles vs classes, even within a single page. How are people getting this "waste of time not to use AI" and "generates 99% of my code" level of code quality? I know people's response will likely be something, something, "add instructions to memory to not use n+1", etc. But if the Ai wants to generate code t…

It works if you neglect code quality and understanding. I've done a few vibe coded projects on my free time but I would feel shame for submitting that kind of code at work where I use LLMs more responsibly.

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Post by jabron »

lukan wrote: post #388
brendyn wrote: post #382

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When people talk about solving a game like go or chess, they mean proving mathematically if there exists a way to guarantee a win, or if the second player can always guarantee a draw, among related questions. Current game engines have no such knowledge, they just pick statistically what the think the best move is and hope for the best.

No, that is not what "people" in general mean, this is only what some people mean. Other people know there is no solving go with calculating, but using statistics to achieve the goal of becoming better at humans. And they are. (With a recent unexpected exception unlikely to be repeated more often)

I don't think people "in general" refer to games as "solved" or "not solved" at all. Among people who do, chess and go are definitely not referred to as (fully) solved.

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Post by kaoD »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #504
_zoltan_ wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is a waste of time right now not to use AI to write code. It's the same category of "artisan code" like "artisan cheese": you can do it if you have a ton of free time as a hobby but other than a hobby? Not worth it.

I still have to remind Ai not to use the n+1 pattern in queries, and fight it to stop using inconsistent inline styles vs classes, even within a single page. How are people getting this "waste of time not to use AI" and "generates 99% of my code" level of code quality? I know people's response will likely be something, something, "add instructions to memory to not use n+1", etc. But if the Ai wants to generate code t…

> How are people getting this "waste of time not to use AI" and "generates 99% of my code" level of code quality?

They don't know what n+1 problem is and they don't know about long-term maintainability.

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Post by oxi113 »

nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

I agree and I think that this will bring such abundance of information/slop to deal with / to injest. A lot of security concerns too.

It's like the classic hot topic of having personal AI agents booking and ordering pizzas for you that are now all over social media. So pain to deal with when you're a human being on the other end receiving calls from an LLM.

Given the fact that LLMs are very unstable and don't follow the rules and often diverge from the initial instruction list[1], I can't even imagine the responsibility of running such system interacting with humans / other systems online.

[1] https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-...

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Post by askvictor »

jbs789 wrote: post #502

If you have an agent that can run a business, then… why not… run a business? Why does YC bother financing startups led by founders, if the AI can just do it? (This startup proudly remarks that it’s backed by YC)

Not quite sure of the intent, but I have variously thought of starting a business based on an idea or gap in the market I could fill with my coding skills... only to realise running a business is not fun at all. Even getting an app published in the app store (and maintaining it) is a level of boredom I can't be bothered with. So maybe that's a use case. Of course, nowadays the coding part will be done by an agent too, so I guess it's just the initial idea?

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Post by owebmaster »

esikich wrote: post #349
owebmaster wrote: post #269

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I'm sure it can't. A competent marketer can make good use of it but vibecoders just create slop nobody wants to read.

You're describing most people. Most people (99.9%) can't come up with novel ideas either. They just follow the latest trend. Art, marketing, music, etc. If you've spent any time in the creative spaces, you'll realize most people don't really have much talent. Skill, sure, but that only gets you as far as someone else's latest idea.

AI being as bad as the average person in marketing is not good for AI

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Post by discreteevent »

hypfer wrote: post #437
aurareturn wrote: post #405

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People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

> Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. It is? Are you sure that this is a representative reading that applies to more than just a tiny bubble?

People are using AI to write code. But HN is the wrong place to try to figure out how much they are using it. This site is full of bots and shills and has become a wasteland since AI. You can tell by the way they make short super confident (even ridiculous) statements in order to try to bully the insecure into buying into the hype. It matches exactly the patterns you used to see with crypto. Even the more subtle comments are often lacking in any kind of specifics. Of course there are some genuine AI users also but the point is that the overall volume of comments is completely unrepresentative of reality.

The tradgedy is that HN used to be a great place to get honest and well argued opinion and anecdotes about new technologies and the different tradeoffs etc.

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Post by oxi113 »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #480
hypfer wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. It is? Are you sure that this is a representative reading that applies to more than just a tiny bubble?

Yes, it is a waste of time right now not to use AI to write code. It's the same category of "artisan code" like "artisan cheese": you can do it if you have a ton of free time as a hobby but other than a hobby? Not worth it.

I agree that it's a waste of time, but I started to realize that doing it

a) puts be ahead of those people who don't, yes b) but also diminishes my technical skills if I don't actively try to engage about what I'm "vibecoding" and proactively trying to understand it.

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Post by bitlad »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

genie is out of the bottle.

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Post by deadbabe »

andyroid wrote: post #413
aurareturn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?

The vast majority of work people do is basically supporting simple CRUD type apps.

CRUD apps have long been a solved problem long before AI, no one should be spending a lot of time dedicating their life to figuring out how to write a better CRUD app.

If your bubble consists of writing critical high performance applications or bleeding edge research, maybe you have a use case for not using AI, but that is not the norm.

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