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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Thats you, don't assume everybody in the IT world works in code sweatshops like that. Your above ultra confident statements are also not correct across much of industry.

That's fine. It will be 99.99% for everyone soon except those who identify as an coding artisan. There are still people who ride horses.

you sound like a web developer

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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It’s a classic get rich quick scheme. Wanna run a business and make money without actually doing anything? Try our AI!

Out of all the people I know, the exact same set of people are in to LLMs now who were previously into: NFTs, then Crypto before that, then Online Poker before that, then Dropshipping and LeadGen before that. The Venn diagram circles overlap exactly.

And they made money on all of these stages, except for online poker.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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I think they just meant its weird as in if you met a software dev at a dinner party who was still writing all their code by hand it would raise an eyebrow and you’d want to enquire further why that is.

I think understand the purpose of this comment. I think you're sensing friction and you'd like to reduce that by explaining for the other guy. Which is a common social script, but one that is being exploited here I'd say. But, regardless, what is interesting I think is the scenario chosen there. Because a "dinner party" is not where engineering happens; and that's kinda the point I was getting at. That's pulled from…

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Thats you, don't assume everybody in the IT world works in code sweatshops like that. Your above ultra confident statements are also not correct across much of industry.

That's fine. It will be 99.99% for everyone soon except those who identify as an coding artisan. There are still people who ride horses.

I always write my assembly by hand because nobody appreciates the craft anymore. It’s all hidden by those pesky compilers which generate extremely inadequate code that could easily be improved by some thinking on the programmer side /s

I do think a better programmer will be a better prompter just like a better compiler engineer will be a better programmer (when performance matters at least).

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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After seeing a crazy amount of non-programmers, sometimes with 10 years of experience, basically turning off their brains and offloading most their thinking to some LLM and turning their days into "please check this product and tell me what I should do next", I don't see why not. I've seen: designers, performance marketers, data scientists, SEO experts, product managers, engineering managers, CRM expert, all using it…

One of the biggest traps LLMs enable is the fantasy of getting away with it. Tools that make you feel like you can get away with it bring out the worst in people. It's not a reflection of the technology but of the people. Every time we see another AI agent "gone rogue", every time we see more LLM slop turning up by e-mail, comments, blog articles, people did that. Not AI -- people feel like they can get away with it.…

Reminds me of the early internet, the whole declaration of cyberspace thing, the fantasy of information freedom.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

It’s really not weird for humans to write code.

You live in a bubble and your code is terrible if you write 99% of it with ‘agents’.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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So.. a while ago I was experimenting with using random wikipedia pages and then asking the model to think about concepts, trends or connections between a few pages.. Then I would ask it the actual brain storming problem I had. In practice it worked pretty well to get ideas that were not the default ideas that the models will come up with. Now though, you can also seed with anything really and the agents can do the re…

You mean seed the context with random information then ask it to ideate on something totally unrelated? Like you want it to figure out how to get som information in front of potential customers in a cost effective way but first you give it articles on Witchita, Kansas, the curling iron, and List of Italian Brands?

That's how I understood it! Clever hack. You'll get more varied ideas by using many different seeds, than if you didn't use a seed and just asked the LLM in a fresh context.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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I think understand the purpose of this comment. I think you're sensing friction and you'd like to reduce that by explaining for the other guy. Which is a common social script, but one that is being exploited here I'd say. But, regardless, what is interesting I think is the scenario chosen there. Because a "dinner party" is not where engineering happens; and that's kinda the point I was getting at. That's pulled from…

what

Yes, exactly.

Let me try another analogy: AI-related comment sections are like a watering hole for both get-rich-quick grifters, but also bad people wanting to hurt others.

The technology is so disruptive that there are all sorts of opportunities while stuff is still developing, things aren't regulated, and people themselves have not yet learned how to self-regulate.

So if you're looking to make money or to just inflict pain onto others, you're pulled towards this stuff.

This is what I am seeing in this specific comment sub-tree. A troll.

But in current year, you cannot just call people trolls, so instead you get these elaborate meta comments that bypass the anti-anti-troll defenses, but get so abstract, people just go "what".

My advice would be to view any of these comment sections through a zero-trust lens.

Godspeed. We will all eventually get through this.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Thats you, don't assume everybody in the IT world works in code sweatshops like that. Your above ultra confident statements are also not correct across much of industry.

That's fine. It will be 99.99% for everyone soon except those who identify as an coding artisan. There are still people who ride horses.

The llm induced dunning krueger from you larper types is really funny. Software isnt all shitty webapps is you vibe coders create and declare software solved.

None of the code written for a pacemaker, medical imaging, weapons systems, and thousands of other perf critical domains are written by llms in any meaningful sense. Not everything runs in a browser.

Three years ago you asked this lol:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36136015

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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>>>This is why we’re releasing Pion today. Pion is available as a research preview. If you have an existing business or an interesting business idea you want to hand off to AI, please sign up on our waitlist to get access. We’re excited to run many more businesses, and through them, contribute significantly more insights on frontier model capabilities. Why on God's earth why? Can't you just unleash your AI to "create…

They can't. Nor can OpenAI or Anthropic. If they could create real economic value using their models, they would. Replacing coders is the best they got. Or solving super niche mathematical conjectures.

You mean stealing the chat logs of a researcher who was solving a niche mathematical conjecture, completing the last step and calling the whole thing their own.
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