I wish there was a new great desktop environment focusing on THE DESKTOP.
Cinnamon desktop - the same one that powers Linux Mint
Ubuntu in 2013
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Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#52That is the vomitous self-congratulatory thing I've ever read and what I've come to expect from our multi-millionare South African marketing overlord. Mark: if you're reading this, please take note.
Translated:
We're going to push our own goals rather than asking what people want, you know like Amazon again.
We're including everyone in our statement, apart from those people with an opinion other than ours.
Giving, giving, giving dammit giving giving!
We're lying about Unity with a sample size of 15 people that we all knew already, even though the community hates Unity. It's like Ballmer saying how everyone loves Windows 8 Metro but it's not selling.
Mobile bandwagon jumpy jump. Let's dumb it down so it can be use for gefingerpoken as well as anything else (not going to happen - probably worse than Windows 8).
More cloud tie in - we want your data just like all the other vendors.
Completely ignore the foundation that everyone else such as GNU, Linux kernel people, Xorg and surprisingly Debian have provided them.
Completely ignore the humongous bug database which makes Ubuntu like a pre-Alpha release of Windows for reliability.
Ugh it makes me sick. Sorry to sound cynical, but the above is 5 years of using Ubuntu canned in a few statements.
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#53Zorin [1] (based on Ubuntu) looks sweet, has anyone played with it? [1] http://zorin-os.com/gallery.html
Zorin is really good. Personally, I grew tired of little bugs with their window manager switching stuff.
Also, worth trying is crunchbang(debian w/ openbox) and pinguyos(ubuntu w/ gnome2).
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's your problem with Firefox?
Well, the changes to the UI starting with Firefox 4 made it much less productive to use. Maybe they didn't realize it at the time, but the toolbars, traditional menu bar and status bar provided a lot of useful functionality. Getting rid of them, or at best forcing the use of extensions or reconfiguration to bring back such functionality, hurt the usefulness of Firefox. The minute gain in space for displaying the web…
You don't need extensions to bring back the menu bar, you can just enable it from the view menu.
I don't really know what to say about the performance issues though, as I don't have any. Also, Firefox uses far less RAM than Chrome on my PC. I don't understand why people worry about RAM use so much anyway. If it's not it use, it might as well not be there.
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
This post is nothing but a nice heaping of FUD. Looking at it from a distance the decisions made the Ubuntu brass have largely paid off. I like many others had my doubts when I initially played with Unity in 11.04 when it was slow and lumbering, however in 12.04 I doubt there are many people who would categorize Unity as a substandard experience. I haven't played with the latest GNOME so I can't comment there but Uni…
How exactly have their decisions "paid off"? The level of anger and displeasure within the Ubuntu community is at an astounding level. It's not a healthy community these days. Clearly, the growth isn't there. Android has become the most popular Linux distribution around. DistroWatch shows more interest in Linux Mint, and a declining interest in Ubuntu. The general sentiment when following discussion online is that pe…
I see nothing in what you said other than subjective anecdotes.
>> How exactly have their decisions "paid off"?
The main complaint over the last year and a half against ubuntu esp in 11.* days was Unity. At this stage in its life can anyone with a straight face claim that Unity on 12.04 is a substandard experience? I highly doubt it, and if there is that person is most likely still holding on to the bitterness of their initial experience with it rather than any substantial criticism against how it is currently.
>> Clearly, the growth isn't there. Android has become the most popular Linux distribution around. DistroWatch shows more interest in Linux Mint, and a declining interest in Ubuntu. The general sentiment when following discussion online is that people are unhappy with Ubuntu, and trying alternatives, including Windows and OS X.
Saying that Android is the most popular Linux distro out there is grasping for straws, our discussion here is obviously in context of desktop OSs, bringing up Android is a non-sequitur and like comparing apples and oranges.
>> The same goes for Firefox and GNOME. The sentiment within the existing user communities is not pleasant. The only "positive" (more like non-negative) articles are coming from the leadership of these projects, and they often read much more like advertising or propaganda than informative articles. Much of the user-generated discussion is some expression of displeasure.
Once again this is all anecdotes. It's funny you mention Firefox, I use both Chrome and Firefox but the strongest criticism I see against Firefox is something as trivial as version numbers. In pretty much every Firefox related thread there is atleast one person complaining about the rate at which new versions are being churned out all the while not appreciating the irony of being a Chrome user and making that complaint. I read an article today with some guy ranting and leaving Ubuntu for Windows after his web-cam stopped working in a newer release, I consider this kind of trivial criticism to be irrelevant and sadly that's the kind of criticism that is directed at these projects these days.
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#56> "That’s why Unity in 2013 will be all about mobile" Cool, but don't fuck up my desktop experience with your experimentation like you have been doing.
Just switch to Xubuntu. Xfce isn't changing any time soon. None of the "interface innovation" Unity is notorious for.
I'll switch to Xubuntu too because I need remote access. It's not just a matter of UX. Cloud service doesn't solve my problem.
The future looks dark because applications won't be able to support Wyland and X11. There will be a fork and Ubuntu is betting on it with the goal to compete with Android and iOs. On this path, users like me are left as orphan. I've change OS before, I can do it again.
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe there's something to the huge amount of criticism? You know, maybe we should all consider listening to it? The Ubuntu community got so large because Ubuntu was something that people found very useful. Then a few years ago, questionable decisions started being made. They brought a very poor experience to a huge number of people, without offering any benefit. The criticism i…
Remember that Ubuntu flavors such as Xubuntu and Lubuntu exist, and that their existence is supported from the top (just read TFA). Members of the Ubuntu community who don't like Unity just use them instead. No dissenting voices are needed within the community, since all are accommodated. > ignore the ever-growing disillusionment within their existing communities You assume that the voices of dissent come from within…
If Ubuntu pushes the wayland path, xubuntu will be dropped as desktop 2D is now dropped. There will be a split in applications and user base. Good luck in trying to compete with iOs and Android by hijacking volunters work.
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#58That is the vomitous self-congratulatory thing I've ever read and what I've come to expect from our multi-millionare South African marketing overlord. Mark: if you're reading this, please take note. Translated: We're going to push our own goals rather than asking what people want, you know like Amazon again. We're including everyone in our statement, apart from those people with an opinion other than ours. Giving, gi…
So how much did you contribute back in these 5 years ?
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#59If you like the ease-of-use of Ubuntu, but don't like Unity nor Gnome 3, just use Xubuntu (or Lubuntu).
Xubuntu in particular provides what I think of as a regular no-surprises desktop --- exactly what I want and expect from a desktop OS.
Re: Ubuntu in 2013
#60That is the vomitous self-congratulatory thing I've ever read and what I've come to expect from our multi-millionare South African marketing overlord. Mark: if you're reading this, please take note. Translated: We're going to push our own goals rather than asking what people want, you know like Amazon again. We're including everyone in our statement, apart from those people with an opinion other than ours. Giving, gi…
So how much did you contribute back in these 5 years ?
Cash, promotion, merchandise, landscape subscription, bug reports, forum help (I have over 3000 posts on Ubuntu forums), stackoverflow, testing to name a few...