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Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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License. GNU is copyleft and the new thing is permissive. We might see a fracture open slowly. For me, even AGPL is not enough

Once they have a more permissive license, cui bono?

Businesses.

There is a reason all FOSS OS alternatives for embedded systems like Zephyr, NuttX, FreeRTOS, IDF, Arduino,... are not GPL based, while Google has purged Android and ChromeOS from it, with the Linux kernel being the only GPL piece left.

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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Rush? This is an interim release (95% or so only tracks LTS's) that is not even out yet... Go file a bug reports if you have some time.

I did, and the original dev of the component fixed it within a few days. It was straightforward, a backwards reading of a spec, reordered. The fix is still sitting unmerged many months later. This surprised me since I thought the project was in heavy bugfix/compat mode. I won’t touch it until I see some velocity on open bugs.

Fork Ubuntu and threaten their business model, that’ll get their attention.

Only half joking.

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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I really don't understand why Canonical rushes this. If 'rm' can't remove all possible directory entries, that is a big issue: $ podman run --rm -it ubuntu:26.10 $ apt update -y; apt upgrade -y $ rm --version rm (uutils coreutils) 0.10.0 $ gnumkdir -p $(yes a/ | head -n $((32 * 1024)) | tr -d '\n') $ rm -rf a Segmentation fault (core dumped) rm -rf a $ ls a a $ gnurm -rf a $ ls a ls: cannot access 'a': No such file o…

Rush? This is an interim release (95% or so only tracks LTS's) that is not even out yet... Go file a bug reports if you have some time.

My experience is that filing bug reports to ubuntu is a complete waste of time. Not sure if it's different for paying users.

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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Reporting bugs before Ubuntu releases has never worked for me. They always land a bunch of major changes after the supposed "freeze" then they ignore all feedback because of the freeze. It's infuriating.

Glad to hear that I am not alone. I feel like launchpad is totally ignored most of the time. To get a response on a buggy GNU coreutils patch of theirs [1], I had to mention it in a rust-coreutils bug months later... [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/215...

I've been a Ubuntu user for about 20 years, and I file bugs every now and then on launchpad. I don't recall any of them ever being fixed.

Maybe the bugs get traction if you have a service contract?

Best to file bugs directly to upstream, but that of course means you should try it on the latest upstream version and not whatever version ubuntu ships, so it's more friction.

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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Let them first fix Snap.

They need to kill snap ...

I think ubuntu wants to kill desktop linux. No other explaination of why they push firefox inside snap, which then proceeds to constantly crash, when firefox used normally works completely fine.

I haven't tried chromium but I presume it's the same issue.

At work I'm forced to use ubuntu and I placed snapd on hold and added mozilla's own apt repository to my configuration to get firefox.

At least in the past few months the dbus crashes (been using systemd on debian for several years just fine, this never happened) that render the system unusable and un-rebootable have stopped… I guess when my company will decide to upgrade to 26.04 there will be more instability and problems.

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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Whether you like Rust or not, it's questionable as to why Canonical would push this so much and do it in such a cavalier way.

Will this really make coreutils more secure? I doubt it, if anything there will be a river of new bugs.

So, again, why are they pushing Rust so much? Having Microsoft make Rust a 'Tier-1' language also doesn't bode well.

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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I really don't understand why Canonical rushes this. If 'rm' can't remove all possible directory entries, that is a big issue: $ podman run --rm -it ubuntu:26.10 $ apt update -y; apt upgrade -y $ rm --version rm (uutils coreutils) 0.10.0 $ gnumkdir -p $(yes a/ | head -n $((32 * 1024)) | tr -d '\n') $ rm -rf a Segmentation fault (core dumped) rm -rf a $ ls a a $ gnurm -rf a $ ls a ls: cannot access 'a': No such file o…

Rush? This is an interim release (95% or so only tracks LTS's) that is not even out yet... Go file a bug reports if you have some time.

The bug report I filed several months ago hasn't been looked at. Many of these utilities were released and made the default for Ubuntu 26.04 LTS!

There's a whole load of basic bugs reported and ignored:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-coreutils

Re: Ubuntu 26.10 completes transition to Rust-based coreutils

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They need to kill snap ...

Yes, please. Linux distros is better with macos approach. And making appimage first class makes a lot of sense.

AppImages do not work anywhere close to how macOSs .apps do, and even if they did the approach isn't correct for how things work on Linux.
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