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Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by tzs »

int3 wrote: post #18
collingreen wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And therefore shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on crime and antitrust? Is that your argument?

duh? why would you want someone with no experience making decisions?

She has experience in the relevant areas.

It is quite common for experience in X itself to be quite different from the experience that is useful in dealing with X in some different context.

Most oncologists have no experience with actually having cancer themselves.

A majority of aircraft mechanics are not pilots.

Only a small percentage of referees in most major professional sports leagues have every played that sport professionally themselves.

Most patent lawyers are not inventors.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by tzs »

tptacek wrote: post #20
int32_64 wrote: post #6

Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

It's not at all relevant to this thread, but no he wasn't. At their worst, prosecutors were threatening to push for 7 years; the guideline sentence for Swartz's offense, were he to take it to trial and lose, would likely have been under the level allowing for straight probation (go to a sentencing calculator and plug the values in); writing after his death, his own lawyer stated that had he gone to trial and lost he…

This is 100% correct.

Here are some useful links. This is an explanation of just how they got those ridiculous numbers like 35 years [1].

There is also often confusion of what he did and what hewas charged with. Here's a two part series going over that [2][3].

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20130211030902/https://www.popeh...

[2] https://volokh.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-charges/

[3] https://volokh.com/2013/01/16/the-criminal-charges-against-a...

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

#33

Post by WalterBright »

tzs wrote: post #31
int3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

duh? why would you want someone with no experience making decisions?

She has experience in the relevant areas. It is quite common for experience in X itself to be quite different from the experience that is useful in dealing with X in some different context. Most oncologists have no experience with actually having cancer themselves. A majority of aircraft mechanics are not pilots. Only a small percentage of referees in most major professional sports leagues have every played that spor…

I worked for Boeing designing aircraft parts. I am not a pilot. I worked at the direction of my boss, who was a pilot. He was the gatekeeper of my work.

He'd also take me up flying, and would let me try the controls a bit. I trusted and valued his pilot's judgement.

Many other engineers at Boeing were also pilots. Friends of mine are pilots. My father was a combat pilot in two wars.

Airplane mechanics have very little decision making power. They go strictly by the book. I worked on writing instructions for the mechanics who would be maintaining and checking my gearbox design. It went into excruciating detail.

I would wager that the better mechanics were ones who were pilots, as they'd know in their bones how important their job was.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by devindotcom »

throwworhtthrow wrote: post #2

Source: https://x.com/linamkhan/status/2099204390548639960 (seems like a single post, so you don't need to log in and see replies) I can't tell if Khan is being realistic when she says laws against “unfair or deceptive [acts]” or “unfair methods of competition” apply to AI labs. Her 2-sentence justifications aren't enough to convince me. But maybe it's sufficient for state AG's who want to start investigations.

She is a former FTC Chair so she knows what she's talking about, although her approach to enforcement was more expansive than others. The FTC would investigate, likely along the lines she summarizes, build a case in writing, and refer it to the Justice Dept, which would actually prosecute the case. Not going to happen under this administration, but Khan is saying it's entirely possible that such an enforcement action could be brought to bear, now or later. Personally I hope she gets her job back at some point and does it herself.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

#36

Post by Tractor8626 »

homeonthemtn wrote: post #5
fwlr wrote: post #3

The passage banning “unfair competition” is utterly marvellous: A trader may not, by pursuing a dishonest practice, force his competitors to choose between its adoption or the loss of their trade. A method of competition [is ‘unfair’ when it] casts upon one's competitors the burden of the loss of business unless they will descend to a practice which they are under a powerful moral compulsion not to adopt, even though…

^ further evidence that the problem with democracy isn't democracy, it's that we lack politicians willing to enforce it

Just elect correct politicians doh

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by WalterBright »

tzs wrote: post #31
int3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

duh? why would you want someone with no experience making decisions?

She has experience in the relevant areas. It is quite common for experience in X itself to be quite different from the experience that is useful in dealing with X in some different context. Most oncologists have no experience with actually having cancer themselves. A majority of aircraft mechanics are not pilots. Only a small percentage of referees in most major professional sports leagues have every played that spor…

I have some patents, and I worked with patent lawyers to file them. The patent lawyers didn't understand diddly squat about my inventions. They knew how to fill out the required forms, though.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

#38

Post by eadler »

dearing wrote: post #34
int32_64 wrote: post #6

Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

Michel Foucault enters the chat.

I've read a fair amount of Foucault and while I could guess, what specifically were you thinking of?

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by WalterBright »

throwaway_7274 wrote: post #29
int3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

duh? why would you want someone with no experience making decisions?

What does experience mean? Does only private-sector experience "count?" Should we remove Alito from the bench on those grounds?

> What does experience mean?

Oh, the tiresome word definition game again. No thanks.

> Does only private-sector experience "count?"

Why did you feel the need to insert "only"?

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Post by ronnier »

int32_64 wrote: post #6

Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

So you are for shutting down xcancel?
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