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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by done_lurking »

idopmstuff wrote: post #247
nouveaux wrote: post #240

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> Silly and pointless criticism. Why do the semantics of the word intelligence matter? It matters because, we're still sorting out what intelligence means for an AI agent. As you pointed out, language evolves over time. The question remains whether or not attributing intelligence to the current iteration of models is correct. This is not settled and I don't see why it's wrong to bring it up.

So let's say we make up a new word, machilligence to serve as a parallel term to intelligence but strictly for machines. How is the world different in that case vs. if we call it intelligence? Or I guess to put it another way, if we want to coin a new term for the intelligence-esque thing that AI has, but the key differentiator is that it's an AI thing and not a human thing, then what linguistic value does the new wo…

It matters the same way that calling a dog or a cat intelligent matters. It humanizes the thing, even if that isn't your intention. Right now that's not a big deal since most people agree that machines should not have rights, but I wouldn't take that for granted.

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Post by edoceo »

petra wrote: post #344
Nevin1901 wrote: post #132

Correct me if I'm wrong but a human will be able to cut through the noise with quirky advertising, new/novel distribution methods, etc. Most of the bottleneck in business isn't building the things or sourcing, it's mostly advertising/sales. These specifically require doing something unique or interesting. Sure, maybe LLMs can help with fulfillment or operations, but distribution still remains the hard part.

>> Most of the bottleneck in business isn't building the things or sourcing, it's mostly advertising/sales. That may also change with llms - they can help the buyers compare every product available, and find the best.

I hope so. All the LLM based sales tools I've see have been shit

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by nonethewiser »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #324
nonethewiser wrote: post #320

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You can get some interesting new ideas out of it but it takes some work. Especially when a prompt is stateless. It need to know about it's previous novel ideas but also not be polluted/directed by them. Im not sure what it would take to get it to continuously churn out novel ideas.

So.. a while ago I was experimenting with using random wikipedia pages and then asking the model to think about concepts, trends or connections between a few pages.. Then I would ask it the actual brain storming problem I had. In practice it worked pretty well to get ideas that were not the default ideas that the models will come up with. Now though, you can also seed with anything really and the agents can do the re…

You mean seed the context with random information then ask it to ideate on something totally unrelated?

Like you want it to figure out how to get som information in front of potential customers in a cost effective way but first you give it articles on Witchita, Kansas, the curling iron, and List of Italian Brands?

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Post by bensyverson »

tantalor wrote: post #214
Nevin1901 wrote: post #132

Correct me if I'm wrong but a human will be able to cut through the noise with quirky advertising, new/novel distribution methods, etc. Most of the bottleneck in business isn't building the things or sourcing, it's mostly advertising/sales. These specifically require doing something unique or interesting. Sure, maybe LLMs can help with fulfillment or operations, but distribution still remains the hard part.

skills/advertising_and_sales.md skills/novel_distribution.md skills/unique_and_interesting.md Naive to think you can't reduce these to instructions.

I’d love to see your pass at a “unique and interesting” skill. I’ve been working on tools and techniques in this area, and it’s harder than you might think.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by fragmede »

sevenzero wrote: post #262
StilesCrisis wrote: post #251

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Is this actually cost-effective versus hiring a few humans? Seems like a huge amount of tokens in use.

The whole premise of AI is to replace the human in the loop. People who go out of their way to set up this kind of stuff rather than just hiring a person dont even think about just hiring a person.

Why would you assume that?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by fragmede »

SoftTalker wrote: post #341
mchusma wrote: post #229

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I hope to post something within a few weeks. But our philosophy is generally if it can be done deterministically with software (eg run payroll on autopilot via an api to gusto) then do that. If it can be done by an ai agent, do it with that but add as much software as possible to make it reliable at that thing. And the ai agents are all tuned to escalate to humans as needed. Then there is also just things that are co…

Another downside is that if the agent goes rogue on the payroll you'll have a lot of angry humans and possibly major legal problems also.

Embezzlement is much, much older than LLMs.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by fragmede »

done_lurking wrote: post #345
lukan wrote: post #248

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Language is indeed evolving. Being good in chess was (and still is) associated with being intelligent. But if a computer does it, it is just a calculator (and it is). Then go, the great game for intelligence, too complex for calculators to have a chance against intelligent humans. Until it was solved. And then text, the original Turing test solved, AI capable enough to fool humans. And now already replacing humans in…

Go isn't solved.

Go is solved.

Hey, look I can make unsupported claims with just as much evidence as you!

Maybe you'd like to add some details as to why AlphaGo and its successors haven't "solved" Go (insofar as a game like Go can ever be "solved")?

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