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Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by elicash »

cjs_ac wrote: post #9
elicash wrote: post #4

The charts are particularly great. I will say I'm afraid to use this style because Gemini seems to love it so much and therefore users will make assumptions about how the website was created.

Unless you're building apps for people who are also in tech, your users won't have any idea what UI styles different LLMs push.

That might be true for them to know it was AI. Which yes, was how I worded it. But not necessarily good enough for it to be differentiated from everything else.

For example, in the Bootstrap days everything looked like Bootstrap and users got used to that, even if users hadn't specifically heard of the CSS framework.

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by jumploops »

I'm a big fan of neobrutalist UIs, but I think it's easy to overdo it.

This component library and the LLM default interpretation of the style is very much "in your face."

As an example, the black scrollbar here[0] is very heavy, a component which isn't meant to be looked at, but is distracting on first glance.

Prompting an LLM to make "lightly styled" neobrutalist is much more pleasing to my eyes, but maybe I'm alone in that.

[0]https://www.neobrutalism.dev/docs

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by Barrin92 »

martythemaniak wrote: post #31
wpm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neo doesn't mean it can just be a completely different thing, it means its a modern take on the same thing from before but slightly evolved. Neo-Classicism still looks like Classicism. Neo Nazis are still Nazis. If I create something called Neo-Cuisine, you'd expect the result to be edible. If I see something calling itself "Neo-Brutalist Architecture", I'd expect it to look like Brutalism, or have some hallmark of t…

It's a visual style, yet all your criticisms are about under-the-hood technicalities. The style I use for my personal projects ( https://frost-e.com/design-system/ ) is a single css file, but looks similar. Nothing is stopping you from applying this visual style to plain HTML components.

>It's a visual style, yet all your criticisms are about under-the-hood technicalities

the very point of brutalism is to turn its material 'inside out', what defines brutalism is that it makes the material and structural elements it's made of visible. It's not a 'visual style' or an aesthetic at all but an 'ethic of construction' something was brutalist if it was honest, and exposed, what a thing was made of.

If you want to apply that notion to web design It's not about 1 CSS file or 100 but whether the mechanics of CSS or HTML are still visible on the site, or if it's all buried under colors, animations, styling etc. Craigslist is a pretty good example of a brutalist website, so is this site, HN.

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by kypro »

samastur wrote: post #5

looks awful (to provide a genuinely felt counter view)

On very spacious and minimalist sites it can be okay, but find this extremely noisy and hard to scan, https://www.neobrutalism.dev/docs/calendar

I'm normally quite unopinionated on UI styles, but there's something about this style that feels actively hostile to my ability to concentrate on the content. It's not so much that I don't like it, it's just uncomfortable visually to me.

I assume it's only me, but would be interested if others have the same problem.

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by graypegg »

netsharc wrote: post #15
bradly wrote: post #8

I enjoy the look of these, but personally I wouldn't have thought to describe them as neobrutalist, so I'm thinking I don't know what it is. How is brutalism defined in this context? When I think web brutalism I think Craigslist style sites and reduction of superfluous design elements.

Yeah, I can't stand these influencer-wannabe web-devs misusing terms. béton brut means "raw concrete" in French, and in architecture that's what brutalism is. I'd say only sites that look like they use the default style of HTML with no CSS on Netscape 1.x could be called "brutalist"... E.g. https://stallman.org IMO the design is more "Windows 3.1 Hot Dog Stand Theme" https://blog.codinghorror.com/a-tribute-to-the-win…

> I'd say only sites that look like they use the default style of HTML with no CSS on Netscape 1.x could be called "brutalist"

I agree, but maybe just not on the Netscape 1.x part. Brutalism in all of it's forms has never been about traditionalism. Even if concrete wasn't a new matieral in the 50s, you can't say something like Église Notre-Dame du Haut [0] is following any sort of traditional church architecture.

Brutalism on the web to me would focus more on honesty. An honest website shows you the processes your browser is undertaking, and how that results in rendering it's purpose. Images should load in progressively, any layout tables/divs/scaffolding shouldn't be invisible, a link/button/headings should behave/look how they "natively" do in whatever browser you happen to be using (not specifically netscape 1.x). If you're writing a cookie to the current session, I want to see that state reflected on the page. If I see a process happening I don't like, I should be able to stop it.

That doesn't have to look old or be unstyled. But there's certainly a way that letting hypertext just sort of "exist" makes a website more honest. All things considered right now, I'd say honesty is a pretty non-traditional adjective for the web haha.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_du_Haut

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by shimman »

rodolphoarruda wrote: post #22

Is there a pure CSS or CSS + JS alternative that does not rely on React?

Yeah. Neobrutalism is mostly about the drop shadows + bright color palette. You don't really need a component library for what should be some basic CSS rules.

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

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Post by netsharc »

martythemaniak wrote: post #31
wpm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neo doesn't mean it can just be a completely different thing, it means its a modern take on the same thing from before but slightly evolved. Neo-Classicism still looks like Classicism. Neo Nazis are still Nazis. If I create something called Neo-Cuisine, you'd expect the result to be edible. If I see something calling itself "Neo-Brutalist Architecture", I'd expect it to look like Brutalism, or have some hallmark of t…

It's a visual style, yet all your criticisms are about under-the-hood technicalities. The style I use for my personal projects ( https://frost-e.com/design-system/ ) is a single css file, but looks similar. Nothing is stopping you from applying this visual style to plain HTML components.

Yum, soft hot dog stand!

Re: Show HN: Neobrutalism.dev – Just added Base UI support and added new color theme

#50

Post by ricardobeat »

tolerance wrote: post #39

This is actually "Post-Corporate Memphis". Says me. These pages are closer to "neobrutalism" or what I would call "Cybermod" [0], I think... https://webb.page > https://garden.bradwoods.io > [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44415330 >

Those two websites have nothing in common.

“Neobrutalism” might be wrong in concept, but it was coined around 2023, that ship has sailed.

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