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LG denies TV spying claims, says tracking and snooping concerns 'not true'

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Re: LG denies TV spying claims, says tracking and snooping concerns 'not true'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again with the ‘works over the LAN’. What do you think that actually means, because I keep explaining that doesn’t mean what you seem to think it does, and then you keep repeating it in a context which doesn’t make any sense.

It means that my device at e.g. 192.168.123.45 can be controlled by my phone or computer at 192.168.123.46 on the same LAN without any of the traffic going over the internet. And since none of the traffic goes over the internet, the device can be completely blocked from internet access without disabling the ability to control it. I'm not really sure what the disconnect is here. This seems like the obvious meaning of…

You’re saying ‘works behind a firewall’, or ‘works without an internet connection’. Maybe ‘works on a fully isolated LAN or VLAN’?

A LAN (or WiFi) typically has routability to the Internet (though doesn’t have to, of course!) which is why what you are saying is confusing. It has for at least 20 years, and is especially true in residential, but also true even in commercial.

Those some IP addresses could also be NAT’d, and often are.

Most modern products have also spent significant R&D figuring out how to bypass NAT and firewalls and even hide from packet inspection (tunneling DNS and command and control over HTTPS, for one example).

Very few people are able to handle or setup actual air gapped LANs now (or isolated VLANs), but anything besides that is risky in these scenarios.

Re: LG denies TV spying claims, says tracking and snooping concerns 'not true'

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post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means that my device at e.g. 192.168.123.45 can be controlled by my phone or computer at 192.168.123.46 on the same LAN without any of the traffic going over the internet. And since none of the traffic goes over the internet, the device can be completely blocked from internet access without disabling the ability to control it. I'm not really sure what the disconnect is here. This seems like the obvious meaning of…

You’re saying ‘works behind a firewall’, or ‘works without an internet connection’. Maybe ‘works on a fully isolated LAN or VLAN’? A LAN (or WiFi) typically has routability to the Internet (though doesn’t have to, of course!) which is why what you are saying is confusing. It has for at least 20 years, and is especially true in residential, but also true even in commercial. Those some IP addresses could also be NAT’d,…

I was replying to “Manufacturers just need to realize that LANs exist and allow their devices to be used with the Internet turned off.” If it took you this long to figure out what I was talking about, I don’t think it’s really a problem with my description.

Re: LG denies TV spying claims, says tracking and snooping concerns 'not true'

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post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re saying ‘works behind a firewall’, or ‘works without an internet connection’. Maybe ‘works on a fully isolated LAN or VLAN’? A LAN (or WiFi) typically has routability to the Internet (though doesn’t have to, of course!) which is why what you are saying is confusing. It has for at least 20 years, and is especially true in residential, but also true even in commercial. Those some IP addresses could also be NAT’d,…

I was replying to “Manufacturers just need to realize that LANs exist and allow their devices to be used with the Internet turned off.” If it took you this long to figure out what I was talking about, I don’t think it’s really a problem with my description.

So weird, it’s like you refuse to read my comment and keep replying with the part of your comment which ISN’T that part, and then act like I’m the problem when I point out you aren’t making any sense.

Are you real?

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