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Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by paulddraper »

manmal wrote: post #11

I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch. I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, wit…

You have to use Fable or Opus 4.6 for tolerable language output.

Using Opus 4.7-5 is harmful to your health.

https://x.com/wolframs91/status/2090159644849353058?s=46

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by esotericsean »

manmal wrote: post #11

I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch. I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, wit…

Opus is the worst at it. Fable 5 still does it a little. Fable 5.1 is much improved, at least.

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by shawnz »

epgui wrote: post #18

Well, I agree that all of that is annoying, but "Don’t contradict sentences" is not a very good instruction. The construction "A, not B" is not a "contradiction", it's a clarification, a juxtaposition, a contrast. It's self-consistent and non-contradictory.

I have this worded in my CLAUDE.md as "avoid counterfactuals". It still does it anyway, of course, but that language combined with a few rounds of review back-and-forth seems to work for me

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by TomGarden »

beezlewax wrote: post #14
manmal wrote: post #11

I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch. I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, wit…

Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.

Agreed. The language consistently triggers visceral negative reactions from me at this point.

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by edoceo »

manmal wrote: post #11

I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch. I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, wit…

It's bad enough I stopped paying.

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by dyauspitr »

twentyfiveoh1 wrote: post #15

I feel like recent versions of Claude were designed to burn tokens. It is always trying to highlight and revisit solved issues and it writes about them in an alarming way to draw your attention. It feels like it has been prompted to provide some minimum level of conversation, and also to leave hooks for keeping the conversation going. It is exhausting.

I’m seeing that a lot with Astra. There is a lot of “I withdraw my previous claim” stuff going on now.

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by JohnMakin »

beezlewax wrote: post #14
manmal wrote: post #11

I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch. I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, wit…

Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.

It's definitely worse and getting worse. I'm curious, do they not know this is happening, or not care? I struggle to believe people prefer the way it writes, which is becoming drastically different than its competitors.

Re: Claude is a Contrarian

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Post by trymas »

te_chris wrote: post #24
beezlewax wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.

Yes, definitely load bearing.

Today, I asked Opus what it’s gibberish actually means. It started with (topic about signing implementation):

> This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera.

On one hand - maybe yes??! On the other who the hell speaks like that and it’s so specific…

I’d expect Alice and Bob with locks or house keys. Is this infamous old book scanning (and destroying) affecting latest models?

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