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For AI leaders Doom is a form of hype

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Re: For AI leaders Doom is a form of hype

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Post by fooker »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #8
swingboy wrote: post #6

Can anyone from a lab anonymously confirm they have or are insanely close to real-time weight modifications and still using the same architecture every other lab is using (transformers)?

>> real-time weight modifications You mean training? Yeah we call that training an LLM in my backyard...

We don't really train deployed models in realtime in any realistic sense nowadays.

It used to be a thing when ML was pretty much about classifying things into buckets.

Re: For AI leaders Doom is a form of hype

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Post by swingboy »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #8
swingboy wrote: post #6

Can anyone from a lab anonymously confirm they have or are insanely close to real-time weight modifications and still using the same architecture every other lab is using (transformers)?

>> real-time weight modifications You mean training? Yeah we call that training an LLM in my backyard...

You don’t know the difference between train and test time? I asked for somebody from a lab.

Re: For AI leaders Doom is a form of hype

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

mercurywells wrote: post #13

How does that compare/contrast to the nuclear physicists speaking out during the early part of the 20th century?

The nuclear physicists were not banking on getting a trillion dollars invested in them by speaking out, for one.

"Nuclear weapons are probably going to kill us all. For that reason, we need you to give us as much money as possible so we can work on deploying them in widespread global commercial usage." doesn't sound quite as convincing, does it?

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Post by AJ007 »

Consider the messaging it took to attract AI researchers to OpenAI in the beginning, the exodus to Anthropic, and why Google, Meta, etc fail to recruit top researchers and the retain them. Reconcile all of this with the mammoth valuations of Anthropic and (previously non-profit) OpenAI and it all starts sounding a lot like "don't be evil." These guys never really believed any of this, did they? (not referring to the researchers)

Re: For AI leaders Doom is a form of hype

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Post by ck2 »

the short answer is

what we are going to do about "AI" is exactly what we did about global warming

absolutely nothing and just let it happen, the wealthy will be fine

just don't look up

they are even using the EXACT same excuses as global warming

"well even if we do, China won't, so why bother"

Re: For AI leaders Doom is a form of hype

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Post by NoahZuniga »

> I do not doubt that these people are sincere in some private, psychological sense ... . As a media scholar, what interests me is not whether Hubinger believes his own number. What interests me is what this genre of utterance does in the world ... . My complaint is not that these statements are alarming. It is that they are apocalyptic in form, hypocritical in structure, and strategically productive in effect — and that they crowd out almost everything else we could be discussing

Strange to say that you think the people that are worrying about doom in public are being sincere, make no comment on whether you think the worry is valid, and yet still complain that its hype.

Like if its true it can't be hype

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