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Post by immibis2 »

WarmWash wrote: post #336
swed420 wrote: post #329

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> A website that allows you to skirt paywalls, is immensely profitable to the end user. login wall != paywall As for your apples:oranges comparison about maximizing money, which group do you suppose has an unfair advantage these days? Modern Capitalism Is Weirder Than You Think: It also no longer works as advertised https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-h... ( https://archive.is/wSmtd )

All the evidence in the world that corporations are greedy doesn't detract from the fact the end users are also greedy. It's all greed, all the ways down. I also can't read the article, not going to make an account, and I stand by not backdooring.

What's wrong with that? Capitalism is about everyone being as greedy as possible. If you aren't greedy while your adversary is greedy, you give up everything you have.

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Post by swed420 »

WarmWash wrote: post #336
swed420 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A website that allows you to skirt paywalls, is immensely profitable to the end user. login wall != paywall As for your apples:oranges comparison about maximizing money, which group do you suppose has an unfair advantage these days? Modern Capitalism Is Weirder Than You Think: It also no longer works as advertised https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-h... ( https://archive.is/wSmtd )

All the evidence in the world that corporations are greedy doesn't detract from the fact the end users are also greedy. It's all greed, all the ways down. I also can't read the article, not going to make an account, and I stand by not backdooring.

Convenient that your "principles" disallow you from seeing critique of said principles.

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Post by sekh60 »

rimunroe wrote: post #311
sekh60 wrote: post #255

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I can't remember the court case, but Blizzard did argue and win in court that WoW Glider's producers violated copyright law. If I recall correctly violating the TOS meant that an unauthorized copy made by executing the file chasing it to load WoW into RAM was created.

It looks like that was MDY Industries, LLC v. Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., which relied on MAI Systems Corp. v. Peak Computer, Inc. for the relevant part of the ruling. The person I was responding to was saying that anytime you viewed copyrighted content with a browser you’d necessarily be committing copyright infringement. I’m not a lawyer but I can imagine that the reasoning there would be slightly different from…

Oh yeah, I understood your point, but given MDY Industries, LLC v .Blizzard who knows what the "right" judge would rule? With IP laws these days we're really getting into weird places.

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Post by frumplestlatz »

vrganj wrote: post #208
frumplestlatz wrote: post #88

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Given its extremely liberal content moderation policy, how is X a propaganda machine?

Here's a pretty in-depth investigation into the workings of X as far-right propaganda machine: https://news.sky.com/story/the-x-effect-how-elon-musk-is-boo... > right-wing content was shown most prominently, regardless of users' political leaning. > Left-wing users saw almost the same amount of left-wing and right-wing content, even though they only followed left-wing accounts. But only 14% of the political content s…

So journalists ran a study with extremely poor sampling, base rate, and classification methodology designed by left-wing researchers and activists groups (including groups explicitly opposed to X), found the conclusions they wanted to find, and spent the second half of their article decrying the lack of heavy-handed moderation that pre-Musk Twitter used to control speech.

All we can actually derive from that article is that X’s new user recommendation system exposed a small number of near-default, low-feedback, synthetic accounts to more content that left-wing “misinformation” researchers classified as “right-wing”.

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Post by immibis2 »

brainwad wrote: post #239
bluefirebrand wrote: post #234

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No kidding. I dunno what kind of traffic loss Wikipedia has had but SO is really dead these days If they weren't competing with AI then why is AI killing it?

There's a difference between creating a market for something better, so that nobody wants the old thing, and competing _in_ the market for the old thing by copying it directly.

If two things are competing, they are in the same market by definition.

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Post by immibis2 »

brainwad wrote: post #295
bluefirebrand wrote: post #281

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I don't really buy this. It's like saying "toaster oven/air fryer combos" don't actually compete with toaster ovens or air fryers because they are creating a market for something better Of course they complete. Toaster ovens compete with toasters. Microwaves compete with toaster ovens. Just because it's not the exact same product doesn't mean it's not competing Would I be allowed to steal LG's designs for a microwave…

It's not illegal to write a similar book or song to an existing one. Copyright only protects existing works from literal copying (possibly in part).

And derivative works, like AI makes

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Post by immibis2 »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #287
brainwad wrote: post #243

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That's exactly the way UK courts are heading, see Getty vs Stability AI. The court ruled that there's no infringment because the model doesn't store exact copies, just derived weights, and therefore when it generates new images those aren't copies of protected works.

That's stupid, these courts are stupid It should have nothing to do with storing copies it should have to do with what the models can produce. And it's clear they can produce copyrighted works, they've just been tuned so they don't. That shouldn't satisfy anyone.

> they can produce copyrighted works, they've just been tuned so they don't.

In other words... they can't. A different one can but this one can't. The court is not stupid, and will consider this fact.

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Post by immibis2 »

znpy wrote: post #235
zqwt3k wrote: post #109

Thanks Elon, now we know that scraping is illegal! Very good to clarify that for future proceedings against the AI thieves.

scraping content is mostly legal, redistributing content is not. if you started doing the same to, say, instagram content both meta and individual creators would sue you as well. sites like archive.ph are in a similar bucket btw, and yet nobody's complaining (except websites seeing people evading their paywall). but at the end of the day it's not really fair to apply laws differentially on the basis of whose politica…

Meta has no exclusive rights to the content on Instagram, and X has no exclusive rights to the content on X. They have a non-exclusive license to republish it, etc.

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Post by immibis2 »

flaburgan wrote: post #245
embedding-shape wrote: post #150

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> Why do we put up with it? You let it happen. Once people stop letting it happen, it'll stop. But social media is apparently the new "opium of the masses" so here we are and no one wants to do anything.

I actually do want to do something. I started to scrape Twitter to make it freely available. The web should stay open.

I am also doing something, by hosting one of the public instances of Nitter.

Nitter is useful for sporadic random access to tweets, but for public feeds like municipal authorities etc. it would be useful if someone scraped the feed and re-hosted the feed from their own server, without being hobbled by rate limits. Is that what you're doing?

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Post by immibis2 »

akerl_ wrote: post #308
roosterIllusi0n wrote: post #179

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Why can't they distill twitter when AI companies distill everything including twitter? Distilling is copying and redistributing.

Are they distilling? Distilling isn’t copying and redistributing, for the same reason that you reading a story and then writing your own story based on ideas you learned is different from you reading a book, writing all the words down verbatim, and then publishing it as your own.

That's not what distilling is either. Distilling is training your AI to exactly copy someone else's AI.
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