It's funny how quickly tech employees turn MAGA when it comes to qualified immigration. Bad zero-sum intuitions about work abound across all strata of society, it seems.
all H1B posts turn into Klan rallies.
New $100k H-1B visa fee pushes tech jobs offshore
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#62Not surprising, H1B for my entire career was a cost cutting measure. Every time we had a layoff some portion would be replaced with H1B. Every H1B that shared their salary with me has been underpaid. I know its anecdotal but sharing to see if anyone has seen similar.
Wait? People do not know this? This war was lost a decade ago. Google employs more than 4,100 H-1B visa holders.
Google doesn’t underpay H-1B holders. In my experience any difference in actual pay is more likely caused by the H-1B people having worse salary negotiation skills than native born people.
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#63It's funny how quickly tech employees turn MAGA when it comes to qualified immigration. Bad zero-sum intuitions about work abound across all strata of society, it seems.
It is pretty interesting to watch. "I'm pro immigration EXCEPT specifically the kind that directly affects me"
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Re: New $100k H-1B visa fee pushes tech jobs offshore
#64Not surprising, H1B for my entire career was a cost cutting measure. Every time we had a layoff some portion would be replaced with H1B. Every H1B that shared their salary with me has been underpaid. I know its anecdotal but sharing to see if anyone has seen similar.
H1B should have never been a lottery. It should be a stack rank by salary to deal with the over subscription.
H1B also includes things like high school foreign language teachers.
https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=&job=french+language+immer...
A stack rank by salary would mean "H1B is big tech employees" rather than "these are professionals who have skills."
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#65Canada is jumping on this opportunity to invite the US tech workers who are frustrated with US H1B visa restrictions and GC backlog by offering an express permanent residency in 10 days
https://canadabychoice.com/services/move-to-canada/usa/occup...
Canada also floating idea of alliance with Europe for travel and job opportunities
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-european-union-eu-me...
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
A simple stack rank and cut has the problem of where to draw the line. Also, how to value pre-ipo stock There are other good options as well (an auction, etc). They all have problems, but there are mitigations. It could be vastly improved even if it’s not perfect. It’s just the will to do it.
Another problem: different industries and roles natohace different pay ranges. If you decide on a single pay cutoff software engineers will starve everyone else out. And there are of course great, well paid people in other hard to hire industries.
Maybe that's ok? It would raise pay in other industries.
Re: New $100k H-1B visa fee pushes tech jobs offshore
#67It's funny how quickly tech employees turn MAGA when it comes to qualified immigration. Bad zero-sum intuitions about work abound across all strata of society, it seems.
If you believe that the market sets prices via supply and demand in general, do you believe this is true for the labor market as well? If not, why?
Unlike offshoring, immigration increases supply and demand at the same time.
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#68It's funny how quickly tech employees turn MAGA when it comes to qualified immigration. Bad zero-sum intuitions about work abound across all strata of society, it seems.
So if you're not pro social dumping you're anti immigration? Weird when both are about chauvinism against foreigners.
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#69The H1B problem could be fixed overnight if the government handed them out by a simple test of ability rather than an idiotic lottery. Having world class researchers and engineers who command million dollar salaries enter the same line as a $60K worker at a slop factory like Infosys or TCS is beyond idiotic. And a high visa fee ultimately hurts more than it helps because it drives away both groups, and US tech needs…
Cap the number, sort by salaries (perhaps by coarse domains of skills and not very narrow . Nurses vs Doctors. But s/w engineers are s/w engineers).
Testing abilities is a gamable proxy. How much a company is willing to spend on the person is the best barometer, if we stay true to the intent of the visa (scarce talent)
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not my experience in big tech and HFT. We spent a ton of time and effort trying to find anyone to our standards, never able to find enough. H1B (and other work visas) were generally better and more Sr compared to locals we found. They got paid as much or more than everyone else. When we had great people we could not get here we would instead build a team overseas, taking a bunch of other jobs with them.
Both can be true. Finding the top 1% gets better results if you have a wider net. Finding the cheapest 20% does too...
There is absolutely a ton of abuse. It actually hurts efforts to get the best people. They end up getting put in overseas offices.