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Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

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Re: Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

#11
I'm not that old, but literally no engineer I work with is "overwhelming pro-AI". Befitting engineers, they understand that AI is a tool and while it has its uses, it also has its limits. The enthusiasm that exists stems from AI solving actual hard engineering problems in front of our faces, but everyone using it has also encountered AI doing something very stupid as well.

Even our management is pretty honest about this. Our in-house AI platform running near-frontier models from the larger vendors requires manual confirmation of every command executed on a company machine. It's tedious, but aside from establishing a clear line of blame if the AI does something screwy, it also forces you to step through the AI's analysis which can be quite educational.

Re: Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

#12
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In short, no. Most of the folks I talk to in my age group are somewhere between anti-AI and "AI works for specific use cases". I find it is the younger folk who think it is miraculous and want to use it everywhere.

The executive class is overwhelmingly Gen-X and that class is very pro-AI.

Brown dogs chase cars != all dogs chase cars. And especially, != black dogs chase cars.

80s hobbiest programmers are GenX, and maybe most execs are GenX, but that doesn’t mean both groups share the same opinions.

Re: Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

#14
No, you see some high profile Gen X-ers like Torvalds, Carmack etc. bend to corporate and investor pressure.

But the majority isn't. In the same manner, the math people who were enthusiastic about AI (before Navier Stokes was proven by a human guided AI!) are the ones that are terminally online and were enthusiastic about Lean before. You simply don't hear about the rest.

Opposing AI under one's real name is dangerous, so one does not get an accurate picture.

Re: Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

#16
post #7

In short, no. Most of the folks I talk to in my age group are somewhere between anti-AI and "AI works for specific use cases". I find it is the younger folk who think it is miraculous and want to use it everywhere.

The executive class is overwhelmingly Gen-X and that class is very pro-AI.

Executives are not engineers. Not even the CTO

Re: Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

#19
Nope. I built and programmed a single-board Kim-1 in high school and went on to an Apple II then Commodore 64.

The thing is 80's hobby programmers also read a ton of science fiction which, unironically, was very pro-tech but also explored the social impact of tech.

Case-in-point: My favorite AI novel of that era was "The Adolescence of P1" which starts with an engineer innocently prompting P1 to dig a foundation for a moonbase as efficiently as possible. He expected it to start deploying robot construction equipment and take a week or two. Instead, P1 redirects a massive cargo of moon rocks in orbit and blows a crater in a few minutes from space.

From there, P1 propagates itself and gains control of everything from the global "Internet" to power grids to all nuclear bases and satellites. Not good.

We THOUGHT numerous cautionary tales like this would inspire rigorous "alignment" guardrails and controls once we needed them but, no. ... It turns out even when AI experts and CEOs themselves are saying there's a "10% chance of total human annihilation" by AI, our government and the tech oligarchs are kind of, sort of, thinking about, maybe, instituting controls.

Please, go back and read more science fiction.

Re: Ask HN: Are 80s high school hobby programmers overwhelmingly pro-AI?

#20
Of course not, it goes against everything they love and cherish about personal computing. It's pouring concrete over their playground and wilderness, to be replaced by factories. "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." Sadly many natives join their colonizers willingly, so they can stay relevant and productive in the industry that is actively devaluing their work.
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