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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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A really interesting experiment would be to give the public access to all of Flock's data, in real time. I say we try it and see how that goes.

There was an organization I came across that was working with private property owners to set up cameras outside/pointed at politicians, etc and sharing the footage. I can’t recall the name though

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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Random people calling 911 on other people filming them is a staple of Youtube; banks, coffee store workers, hairdressers, most especially restaurant managers. I don't know why anyone would expect technicians from Flock to be different. It's worse for the technician in this case, because he really was being followed --- that's not unlawful but it's unnerving. You'd think from the response that this was like the VP/Sal…

Sure, people working on german army in ww2 were also probably just some guy getting 10k/year salary or something like that. Person doesn’t matter if they are in uniform. I had a situation like this against airlines recently where I am getting so obviosly screwed but unfortunately the guy that is doing the screwing is “just a guy” so I can’t go off on them.

Totally reasonable comparison. Can't imagine why that didn't occur to me, too.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Random people calling 911 on other people filming them is a staple of Youtube; banks, coffee store workers, hairdressers, most especially restaurant managers. I don't know why anyone would expect technicians from Flock to be different. It's worse for the technician in this case, because he really was being followed --- that's not unlawful but it's unnerving. You'd think from the response that this was like the VP/Sal…

banks, coffee store workers, hairdressers, most especially restaurant managers. Those people are all working in private premises, and have the right to eject customers for being belligerent or just annoying. The Flock technicians are in public, and as we're always reminded by Flock advocates, have no expectation of privacy. There's no indication that the reporter was harassing him in any way.

There's no indication that anything at all happened to the reporter, is there? A worker had a concern about someone following them and called it in, and that... is the end of the story?

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Yeah! If you’ve got nothing to hide you’ve got nothing to fear! looks at you suspiciously Are those… curtains?

You don't think there's a difference between recording somebody on the street installing mass surveillance devices and peering into person's window?

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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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This is misleading. I'm not sure replacing income tax with sales tax is a positive change. The state is still collecting taxes, but the tools are pretty regressive.

Sales taxes are fundamentally a tax on the poor. Someone making 20x the median income is not spending 20x more on groceries and other goods. It doesn't scale well at all, especially when a lot of net worth goes into housing. And the GP was arguing about ending property tax... I don't think we're in a good enough economic situation as of now to eliminate sales tax. But an ideal model is a strong progressive income tax…

I’m glad that that my state isn’t run that way. Your assumptions about consumption taxes across income brackets not scaling is factually inaccurate. If sales tax is fundamentally a tax on the poor, then so is an income tax.

Florida is one of the lowest taxed states across all income brackets, and even provides good social programs.

I’m glad that people who want to tax the rich to death for the sake of a crusade that isn’t even needed don’t have much of a voice in my state.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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post #285

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Sales taxes are fundamentally a tax on the poor. Someone making 20x the median income is not spending 20x more on groceries and other goods. It doesn't scale well at all, especially when a lot of net worth goes into housing. And the GP was arguing about ending property tax... I don't think we're in a good enough economic situation as of now to eliminate sales tax. But an ideal model is a strong progressive income tax…

I’m glad that that my state isn’t run that way. Your assumptions about consumption taxes across income brackets not scaling is factually inaccurate. If sales tax is fundamentally a tax on the poor, then so is an income tax. Florida is one of the lowest taxed states across all income brackets, and even provides good social programs. I’m glad that people who want to tax the rich to death for the sake of a crusade that…

>consumption taxes across income brackets not scaling is factually inaccurate

I'd love to hear a proper counter-argument. Maybe Florida works different, but sales taxes tend to be constant (i.e. scaling linearly with consumption), and individual consumption does not scale linearly with income. Someone making 200k may buy more luxury food, but not necessarily 10x as much as someone making 20k. And someone making 2 million a year does not consume 10x as much as the 200k person.

>If sales tax is fundamentally a tax on the poor, then so is an income tax.

If income tax wasn't progressive it would be. But it is. Not progressive enough, but the idea is there. Higher brackets get taxed more percentage wise, not in a simple linear fashion.

>and even provides good social programs.

Sure. Give your money to insurance premiums that run away when it's time to do their job instead of government program. Sounds much better.

>I’m glad that people who want to tax the rich to death for the sake of a crusade

Always nice to have people be honest with themselves. I'm just being honest with math. We call a 10 millionaire being taxed 90% a millionaire. We call someone making 30k being taxed 10% on the verge of homelessness (likely on government assistance despite working). As long as such inequality exists, we can and should be aggressively taxing the most privileged to build a society that prevents that reality.

>don’t have much of a voice in my state.

We are both under the same federal government. Most of these large scale issues are federal anyway. The winds are changing slowly and I won't pity those who baron robbed the country one bit (many of whom tried to flee to your state) when it's time to pay the piper.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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French? I was impressed by: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46822472

This story isn't related this issue at all. This was about a fuel tax, not actually about the cameras themselves

Yes rather it was an example of action rather than words

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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There was an organization I came across that was working with private property owners to set up cameras outside/pointed at politicians, etc and sharing the footage. I can’t recall the name though

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Yes thank you!

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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The real trick, is to stop going to these meetings, and start running against these politicians. Get the forms, stand out in front of your local post office, collect the signatures, and primary them. Run against them. That's the only thing they listen to

Not everyone has the drive, talent, connections, time, nor resources to run a political campaign. Showing up to your townhall every 2 weeks can already be an overly high barrier given some townhall times, but is much more feasible.

Neither did AOC. Respectfully, stop talking yourself out of it. Most voters are desperate for someone different, but they are only ever given the same two choices.

Look into it. Seriously consider it.

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