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Post by IAmBroom »

donkeylazy456 wrote: post #174
OroPla wrote: post #137

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Not possible. They are part of the chaebol [1], meaning they are essentially part of the South Korean government. They can't really fail as long as the country exists. There's an old joke that South Korea isn't really a country, but five families/companies pretending to be one and there's some truth to this. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

It is possible because South Korea does not have control in other states. Even if chaebol is powerful they still heavily depend on export profits. They can't help themselves if EU/USA consumers and governments take this scandal seriously.

Bankrupting a whole, large national economy is a bit trickier than boycotting a company.

I mean, someone like Trump is probably capable of doing it from the inside, but Korea's educational standards are too high to elect him...

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Post by IAmBroom »

utopiah wrote: post #199
wkjagt wrote: post #197

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I think we tend to forget that many things can be implemented without "smart" features / wifi access / apps. Ie my 20 year old oven has a "start time" feature. It just uses the built in clock.

I don't think I know of any (big) appliance, e.g. dish washer, drier, washing machine with that option but to be honest I didn't dig deep, is it possible?

Timers have been on appliances since Desi first yelled at Lucy. Yes, it's possible.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by IAmBroom »

utopiah wrote: post #157
thenthenthen wrote: post #148

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I have a speech recognition standing fan with touch button. Its terrible. The voice is loud, the touch controls dont register very well, give me a dumb thing with physical buttons please!

I'm not advocating for touchless smart devices, I'm advocating for optional interface we can use to operate our appliances without having to rely on the manufacturers app and/or server.

But that's the problem: as soon as you move control inwards to the software, and add more accessibility (smart watch, voice control, whatever), you have a sophisticated, hidden control layer.

How do you know that your dryer won't lock onto an open wifi? How do you know that your smart TV won't download malware? You don't.

Contrarily, if you accept that you only hear the dryer "DONE!" bell if you are within 20' or so, you can be certain that the dryer is yours and yours alone.

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Post by kelipso »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #154
sixothree wrote: post #116

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Can we really trust it to honor your request to stop using the internet? After hearing them speak on this subject, I have my doubts it will honor your request so quickly and easily.

You can't change the laws of physics. If it isn't connected to the network, it can't communicate.

Wifi exists now lol, and if there are open wifi networks in the vicinity, it can use it.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by tmtvl »

Yizahi wrote: post #164
tomkarho wrote: post #122

I wonder if the following scenario ever occurred inside LG when they were designing this spyware. 1. Teenagers exist 2. Teenagers hook up with other teenagers 3. Sometimes that might happen on the couch in front of the TV If that TV records and transmits anything, who is on the hook for production and distribution of illicit materials? The parents? The kids? Or LG? PR/legal wise this might be the worst case scenario…

4. Wait for anyone to come knocking regarding illegal spying. 5. Discover there is absolutely zero enforcement if you are govt. intertwined oligarchy owned conglomerate. 6. Sell collected data (akshully it will be synthetic data "of course", wink-wink) to a legal front to a Nexus darknet laundromat. Also known as "identity verification provider or other somesuch. 7. Insurance companies legally partner with a differen…

> Insurance companies legally partner with a different legal Nexus front corpo, which will ingest stolen data and make it "sythetic data" again, wink-wink; then provide it to the insurance corpos.

And, of course, sell it to the Epstein class behind closed doors for undisclosed kickbacks and favouritism.

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Post by dd8601fn »

mitxela wrote: post #191
dd8601fn wrote: post #178

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I get what you’re saying but the market had a choice on this, and it chose. They wanted the “smart” tvs. Overwhelmingly. “We” chose this hellscape when we had the opportunity to say no. So I think the person you’re replying to is kinda right. We didn’t get forced into this so much as everyone collectively said, “Yeah, that’s what I want.”

Did we actually ever have that choice?

Yeah, and it was a big window.

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Post by nearlyepic »

frumiousirc wrote: post #195
sumedh wrote: post #186

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What?

Apparently, nearlyepic is trying to deliver two veiled insults and a critique of judgement or perhaps of the current state of broader affairs. I'll attempt to translate: - "no idea what you’re talking" = "you have outsourced expertise to an LLM" - "solution that doesn’t actually work" = "piecemeal blocking leaves many problems still active" - "used to be free" = "you / others in general now pay LLM services for the o…

Thanks, I’ll work on accommodating the reading-comprehension-impaired in the future.

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Post by MetroWind »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #14
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

If you don't have laws, or don't enforce them, people will do whatever they want. I can remember when this simple point was obvious to almost everyone.

We do have laws. They are sided with the corporations.

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Post by ranguna »

vrganj wrote: post #193
ranguna wrote: post #188

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> Surely you must see the glaring security risk this creates? Enlighten me.

I would recommend reading up on the basics here: https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/cybersecurity-101/cyberatt... https://www.varonis.com/blog/what-is-c2

I don't see how that's isolated to using harnesses?

Are you going to stop using your browser? It probably has note vulnerability than you can count

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by 420official »

hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

I just set up a second network that can't reach the internet and connect the TVs to that
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