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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by neya »

PommeDeTerre wrote: post #56
neya wrote: post #49

I'm so glad that someone is writing about this issue. It is important to understand that 12.04 and 12.10 both SUCK. Here's why: Previously I was on 10.04, the best thing that happened to me ever. Boot speed was amazing and shutdown speed was the fastest among the three OS'es I had then (Windows Vista, OSX, Ubuntu 10.04). Then something happened. I purchased the Windows 8 Upgrade edition and I had to partition my driv…

It saddens me that people who liked earlier Ubuntu releases jump straight to Windows or OS X, without trying Debian or Linux Mint first. They both offer the good parts of Ubuntu, without the junk and without the poor experience.

http://linuxmint.com/

If this is the official website of the distribution you're talking about, then the site doesn't inspire confidence as much as the original Ubuntu site does. Anyway, I'll give it a shot, thanks :)

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by 3amOpsGuy »

lazyjones wrote: post #37
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #28

This story stinks, what an obnoxious sense of entitlement. How dare they break YOUR webcam, and why should you invest untold hours in learning how to contribute and then fixing it. World on a plate with no effort to give back? Meh.

I don't understand your aggression. He chose to pay $100 - or whatever Windows 7 costs now - so that is the investment he needed to make to fix his problems. Fixing it in Ubuntu might be a lot more expensive to him (or impossible due to limited technical skills). What is the evil he has done now? He made a sane decision and I understand him well.

>> I don't understand your aggression.

It's easy, someone shares with you a product of their hard work, for free, and if you then choose not to use it that's entirely fine. If however you choose to snipe at hard work, you deservedly attract criticism in the strongest terms.

A much more constructive response which would attract high praise could be any of:

A) learn how to and then fix it yourself, share this improvement freely with others B) sponsor someone to fix it for you C) engage in directed discussion with those currently in a position to assist but unaware of the issue - open a bug ticket

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by 3amOpsGuy »

skrebbel wrote: post #40
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #28

This story stinks, what an obnoxious sense of entitlement. How dare they break YOUR webcam, and why should you invest untold hours in learning how to contribute and then fixing it. World on a plate with no effort to give back? Meh.

Nonsense. The "it's open source, fix it yourself" argument only holds if your target audience is developers. Ubuntu is intended to (also) target non-powerusers. They intend to be a competitor to other "normal people" OSes such as OSX and Windows. The fact that they give it away for free is entirely Canonical's own choice, and it does not magically take away users' right to criticize them. Canonical puts a product in…

Straw man.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by hollerith »

mgkimsal wrote: post #33
slasaus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were also all these other complaints like "I've got this book about photo editing from a friend of mine, can you install that software for me?" where I have to say, no, sorry mom, that only works on Windows. Same with watching video's of a certain TV-channel (Silverlight 4, not supported by Monolight yet) and a dozen other things. Like I said, I always had faith one day all (most) will be good. But now that I'v…

You say you started in 2009 - I'm assuming you started with linux a bit earlier than that. I started using linux on the desktop in 1999 part time, and moved 'full time' by ... 2003 I think. I gave up around 2008. Gave up trying to migrate friends/family; gave up being an evangelist. The number of things that wouldn't work on someone's hardware was always greater than my ability to help/google/patch/whatever. And I go…

>I miss the FISH protocol in Konqueror something mad.

The feature I miss most is how selecting text with the pointing device on Linux copied it into the "clipboard" without my needing to type Command-C or Control-C.

Like you, the beach ball (i.e., general lack of responsiveness) is at the top of my list of OS X's disadvantages relative to Linux.

Unlike you, I do not experience any crashes of OS X. It hung and needed to be rebooted by holding down the power button -- once in about 4000 hours of service.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by klibertp »

lake99 wrote: post #60
mattdeboard wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really "unfair", imo. It's obvious the GP poster is just regurgitating some garbage he heard somewhere else without doing any critical thought.

The most absurd things seem "obvious" to you. What is obvious is that you have not had to support friends who keep getting viruses, keep running out of free space on their massive disks, keep complaining about slower and slower performance.

I had the pleasure of supporting such people - believe it or not, they used different OSes, from old Windows versions to shiny new Mac OS (which, I admit, I couldn't help with) and they all had the issues you talk about - running out of free space and worsening over time performance and more.

It makes no difference which OS do you use if you have fifteen copies of the same 10Mb bmp image in different places. It also makes no difference if you never uninstall anything and keep piling shareware/freeware apps like a Pokemon Trainer.

I'm sorry to break it to you but users of PCs generally should NOT own a PC, because they have no time nor intention to learn about using such a machine properly, and large percentage wouldn't be able to even if they wanted. That's why shift towards tablets is a good thing.

Anyway, sufficiently non-tech-inclined user WILL kill his OS rather sooner than later, no matter which OS he happens to have. If you want to stop supporting these users just go there and disable all the features they use to make a mess of their PCs and lock them down in a sandbox, which is perfectly doable with every modern OS I'm aware of, or just persuade them to use tablet or chromebook.

And stop hating decent OSes just because your friends are unable to use them properly.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by Shorel »

darec1 wrote: post #3

So. Your updating your parents to a now obsolete operating system? Why not Windows 8?

Windows 7 is not obsolete. It works, new hardware for many years will have Windows 7 drivers, and new games will work in Windows 7.

Unless you are a MS salesman trying to pitch WindowsRT...

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by Shorel »

I downloaded Ubuntu 12.10 by mistake. Nothing worked that were not already included in the DVD.

I then downloaded Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and all my hardware (with the proprietary AMD driver) and preferred software (Opera, Blender, Skype) works there.

Lesson learned.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by klibertp »

lake99 wrote: post #57
klibertp wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so unfair... Viruses, trojans and bloat are not a part of Windows, it is what users make of their systems. I use both FreeBSD and Windows (as desktops) and I haven't had an issue with any of them for the last two years.

Users? What do you suppose will happen to machines of users who rely on just the default software for "simple things like red eye removal"? Of course, I'm not partial to Linux in this case. BSD and Mac users don't have the virus and trojan troubles that most Windows users are plagued with.

> What do you suppose will happen to machines of users who rely on just the default software for "simple things like red eye removal"?

Um, they won't get infected with viruses or trojans? But what do you count as default? Random, preinstalled crapware from HP, Dell and others or Windows components? If the former, then I saw similarly bloated and useless versions of these for Linux, too.

I'm a FreeBSD user and I love it. I can't imagine my grandmother using my system for longer than five minutes. She certainly wouldn't get a virus, because she would be completely unable to install anything.

But, she now has Windows XP installed and, she has no problems with viruses or trojans. It took me awhile to convince her NOT to click on anything that has the word "free" in it, but I managed. She does not want to watch porn either. This eliminates both most common ways people get 'infected'.

And she's got not one virus or trojan, for four years now and counting.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by hippich »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #47
kevindication wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might also have a hardware problem.

Yes, if you are getting actual BSOD under a recent version of Windows it is almost always the result of a hardware problem. Make a note of the error message at the top of the BSOD and google for it. If you want to do some tests , download something called "Ultimate boot CD" which is a boot disk with a combination of DOS and Linux based hardware test programs. I've used it to find faulty memory on many a misbehaving s…

I am pretty sure it is not hardware problem since I am using it for development and do all kinds of crazy stuff for last half a year. :) The thing about windows - you get more support from hardware manufacturer, but you get screwed by the fact it is all proprietary and often stuff from one manufacturer is not working with software from different one. And due to closed source approach there is no way to peek into it to see if it can be fixed or there could be workaround.

Another gem from this fresh windows install - headphones will work only if I boot into Windows while headphones are plugged in. If I boot without headphones and then plug headphones after I log in - no sound in headphones :)

My point is - there are all kinds of bugs in all popular OSes. I bet MacOS have bunch of them too. You just getting used to ones. Like it is never a problem for me to fix a webcam in linux, but it frustrates me to download 600 megs of drivers software to get my video card functional. The same way OP really frustrated by broken webcam and not really concerned about windows needs to update drivers, constantly monitor for viruses, etc.

One thing I noted tho - most frustration with Ubuntu (or any really linux desktop) I see comes the fact that some particular hardware is not working. The same hardware often have problems on Windows platform. And more often than not drivers/software for this hardware are closed source with bugs which never get fixed (because manufacturer's business in selling hardware, not software.) So apparently we would not have most of these issues with any OS if software required to run hardware would be open sourced. This will never happen probably tho..

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, a sad Christmas

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Post by mattdeboard »

lake99 wrote: post #60
mattdeboard wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really "unfair", imo. It's obvious the GP poster is just regurgitating some garbage he heard somewhere else without doing any critical thought.

The most absurd things seem "obvious" to you. What is obvious is that you have not had to support friends who keep getting viruses, keep running out of free space on their massive disks, keep complaining about slower and slower performance.

But that's not the fault of the OS. That's the fault of the user.
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