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How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by bogwog »

optimisticedits wrote: post #46
drcongo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No whataboutisms Couldn't even follow the ask in your first sentence.

What about, how the ask is completely nonsensical and incoherent? It also came with a request for no-downvotes... What's next? A request for only responses that agree with me? Here's my request: Upvotes only. Please don't respond.

Whataboutism is what's known as a "fallacy" in debate. Wikipedia has a nice list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's "nonsensical and incoherent"

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by throw0101a »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #2

I would love to hear from HN republicans why they think this amount of self enrichment and corruption is okay. Add to this all the paid-for pardons, the shady stock trades, the never ending vacations at his own properties, the plane deal and much, much more. No whataboutisms or anonymous downvotes, I’m genuinely curious why people continue to support him.

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Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by helloplanets »

vasco wrote: post #20
saadn92 wrote: post #5

This is just the amount we know about. How about all the stuff we don’t know?

Self defeating question, if we don't know about it we don't know.

Rhetorical question, not really self defeating.

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by throw0101a »

gadders wrote: post #22
jansport123 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how about anyone else with an ounce of integrity?

Lol. Who was the last president with integrity?

> Who was the last president with integrity?

Integrity not to burn down the system and/or enrich themselves? All of them: Biden, Obama, Bush43, Clinton, Bush41, etc (maybe Nixon the least). If Hillary Clinton or Harris would were elected they would have been as well.

You may be disagree with their policies, and think perhaps they're helping certain special interest groups, but has anyone tried to enrich themselves while in office (versus book deals and speaking fees once they're out)?

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by throw0101a »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #42
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's say we got rid of Trump, but then who is going to be the alternative in your opinion? You seem to be using the "they're all as bad as eachother" argument. But previous US presidents haven't used their office for enrichment on this scale - and so it seems likely that there are alternative potential presidents who would behave with integrity and dignity.

> "they're all as bad as eachother" But isn't that the case? They are all as bad and corrupt in their own merit. Coming back to the original question, do you have anyone concrete in mind that can be the alternative to Trump?

> But isn't that the case?

No.

Has any other president fired the the FBI directory because he wouldn't swear personal loyalty to him (like Trump did Comey)? Did any other president try to do a (self) coup?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...

Did any other president receive hundreds of millions of dollars in value as a gift?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_VC-25B_Bridge

> Coming back to the original question, do you have anyone concrete in mind that can be the alternative to Trump?

Any Democratic candidate, including Harris and Clinton. With GOPers: Pence, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, DeSantis, etc.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presiden...

You may disagree with their policies (and even values), but would have anyone else tried to do an end-run around the Constitution? Pence went through with the 2020 election certification even when people were literally calling him for to be lynched.

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by gadders »

drcongo wrote: post #32
gadders wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's OK, but it's semi-understandable given the lawfare undertaken by Democrats after his first term. I would say that despite whatever pardons (which I believe can only be federal, not state?), he pro-actively gives himself and colleagues, family etc when he leaves office he will be spending the rest of his life fighting spurious court case after court case, none of which will be cheap. In that regard,…

> No whataboutisms Couldn't even follow the ask in your first sentence.

That's only the last sentence, and I've deleted it for you. Why not engage with the thrust of the argument?

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by gadders »

throw0101a wrote: post #54
gadders wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. Who was the last president with integrity?

> Who was the last president with integrity? Integrity not to burn down the system and/or enrich themselves? All of them: Biden, Obama, Bush43, Clinton, Bush41, etc (maybe Nixon the least). If Hillary Clinton or Harris would were elected they would have been as well. You may be disagree with their policies, and think perhaps they're helping certain special interest groups, but has anyone tried to enrich themselves wh…

The question was about integrity, not enrichment.

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by sajithdilshan »

throw0101a wrote: post #55
sajithdilshan wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "they're all as bad as eachother" But isn't that the case? They are all as bad and corrupt in their own merit. Coming back to the original question, do you have anyone concrete in mind that can be the alternative to Trump?

> But isn't that the case? No. Has any other president fired the the FBI directory because he wouldn't swear personal loyalty to him (like Trump did Comey)? Did any other president try to do a (self) coup? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito... Did any other president receive hundreds of millions of dollars in value as a gift? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_VC-25B_Bridge > Coming ba…

Examples where former presidents firing people for lack of loyalty, here is a list of them (https://washingtonian.com/2017/07/03/brief-history-president...). Spoiler: Trump is not the only president that did that

The Boeing wag given to the US government. Not to Trump personally. It's stated explicitly in the wikipedia link you provided.

> Any Democratic candidate, including Harris and Clinton. With GOPers: Pence, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, DeSantis, etc.

So you're fine with any other crook, but not Trump. Got it.

Further, wikipedia is not a credible source link in-case you didn't know. Anyone can edit the pages there and somethings are verified and sometime once could even make up facts and link to fake articles.

Re: How Much Has Trump Made from Crypto? ($1.4B from 2025 Federal Disclosure)

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Post by KellyCriterion »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #43
sajithdilshan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say we got rid of Trump, but then who is going to be the alternative in your opinion?

As a European, I’d say Bernie Sanders would be your best candidate. But anyone with a decent amount of dignity, humility, empathy and confidence will do.

+1 for Bernie Sanders!
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