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Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#121

Signal needs to release all the infra automation code behind their backend. How they setup and manage it all should not be secret. It also makes it easy to rebuild if for some reason they are compromised. They've ghosted multiple people about this question. There's no reason a 501(c)(3) shouldn't release it.

Why do you want infra automation code?

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#122

Is Signal still a trusted company in the industry? They are based in the USA.

Yes, very much so. It is basically a standard across the western world for politicians, journalists, whatsapp refugees... Of course there are many alternatives but most of them have most of their users here, on HN.

MacOS, iOS, Windows, Linux, Android are all made in the US and are also virtually universally used. This idea that people avoid American products is super niche.

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#123

Is Signal still a trusted company in the industry? They are based in the USA.

Country of origin doesn't tell you much on its own. Linux is American too, and few question its trustworthiness. What matters is the code being open source and auditable, not where the maintainers live.

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#125
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you can't wave your hands, say "zero knowledge", and be private. this is too little information to be useful

usually, the implication of ZKP is that you buy coupons and claim them without attribution. in this coupon scenario the ZKP can just be a blind signature scheme. however signal has an obscene fondness for TEEs (secure enclaves) so they may actually be doing something stupid here which will require trust beyond the ZKP.

The fondness for TEEs is mostly Moxie's and I think he's not involved with Signal anymore. But he does have an AI chat/inference based on enclaves!

https://confer.to/blog/2026/09/confidential-workers-for-priv...

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#126
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal is there for power and control, not for its users, otherwise they would welcome the usage of third party clients, and generally, encourage decentralisation measures like self hosting, federation and account portability. Yep, they have nice engineering blog posts, they are also US-incorporated, extensively centralised in AWS and subject to the cloud act, which together negates, or largely diminishes claims abou…

Does the perfect messaging tool exist (100% e2ee encrypted and decentralized and open)?

> Does the perfect messaging tool exist (100% e2ee encrypted and decentralized and open)?

(Note that I don't care about cryptocurrencies except for the cryptography behind it)

There are fully anonymous cryptocurrencies using ZKP where it's not possible to tell if a transaction sent is a transfer of the cryptocurrency itself or a message. It's decentralized and it's also impossible to tell who the transaction is made for (anyone with a copy of the chain can potentially be the recipient of either the money transfer or the encrypted message).

If people were really serious about privacy and secure messaging they'd look into this instead of constantly attacking the concept.

But then of course there are entire armies of shills who have a vested interest in pushing a narrative explaining that services, at best, collecting metadata and, at worst, being backdoored are offering "secure messaging".

I'm only using Telegram and I don't believe for a second it's secure and private (it's got, supposedly, "one on one" E2EE but not for groups). But at least they're not posturing as the most secure and private messenger on earth.

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#127

Lots of discussion at that link, but what's the bottom line? Can you register without a phone number yet?

Some say in this thread that it's supported by Google Play, but no mention of Apple's OSes, so I wonder if you can only do it on one platform.

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#128

Per the commits, this will require a purchase with Google Play Billing to mitigate spam while keeping the SMS verification option.

Ah OK, I wondered where is the "catch".

You cannot keep all 3 of "no gatekeeping" - "anyone can message anyone" - "low spam".

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#130
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI is 501c3, should they also be required to release everything?

"open" is literally in the name, so yes

'"open" is literally in the name, so yes'

Just because someone calls themselves something doesn't mean it is.

"Open" is a name that George Soros uses for a lot of the things he puts his billions into e.g. the Open Democracy blog.

I'll leave you to decide whether Soros' enterprises are really open.

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