Yet someone will say that the solution was in the training data.
"LLM can't handle out-of-domain (OOD) queries!" Yeah.
Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
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Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your first link one of the comments says: > Die Lösung müsste eigentlich mit Hilfe des Buches zu finden sein (..who worthily will hear or read this book..) And there’s another one that says: > jeweils 32 zahlen pro reihe. erste zeile seitenzahl zweite zeile wort? oder umgekehrt? wär mir als erstes in den sinn gekommen. leider gerade keine zeit das nachzuschauen. So people have seen and proposed the method already…
its not quite the correct method though, the commenter suggests using the first row as a page index, and the second row as the word index, but the actual solution was using both rows as word indices within the 32 paragraphs ("Proquiritations") paired to the 32 numbers in each row
It is actually the correct method but not the correct solution. Nevertheless, the claim is not that this is the correct solution, nor that matters for the point being made.
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe that's the tipping point where it decides were not needed any more... o_O
> Maybe that's the tipping point where it decides were not needed any more... o_O That's when you.. we.. all become the training data... o_o;
The digital Soylent Green!
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#404AI Skynet now beats humans.
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#405A very neat problem and result. I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade. I think it's that I don't have a very high p(doom) or p(utopia), and I don't…
> I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade I find myself increasingly feeling like the burden of the lows doesn't justify the presence of the those hig…
Wow. That's bleak. For me the the initial joy of building software with AI caused possibly two happiest months of my life. And cancer caused many darkest ones. Snap out of it.
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#406That's pretty cool, especially the fact that it chose the problem itself. The uncovered text, though: > O GOD UPHOLD KING CHARLS THE SECOND AND MAKE HIM THE SUPREME RULER OF THIS LAND That's like working out a cereal box cipher and finding the message is "Do your homework and tidy your room".
It was published in 1653, during the Commonwealth. So faintly equivalent to finishing your book with "End the illegal war in Ukraine" in modern-day Russia.
I don't see the comparison though.
In the case of the Commonwealth, the UK empire was going strong and the guy was a royalist, aka supporter. The message "end the illegal war in Ukrain" aka Putin's genocide, does not really share a lot of commonalities here. If the message were to stop the Commonwealth from colonising everywhere and killing people then perhaps there would be a similarity, but I don't see the connection in the statement made here.
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#407A very neat problem and result. I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade. I think it's that I don't have a very high p(doom) or p(utopia), and I don't…
> thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast I've been wondering what exactly the point is for being the meat proxy who pays for these things. I mean, obviously there's personal satisfaction and maybe some glory. And there's the fact that someone has to be the first to do a thing. But I've been thinking about it like a sort of lazy loading of knowledge. AI has brought us to…
> I've been wondering what exactly the point is for being the meat proxy who pays for these things.
Are people only now discovering that the absurdism is the correct philosophy of life, thanks to AI?
On your other point... Aren't the point of machines, at least inital one, to do the work we were too lazy to do by hand?
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Caveats, stated plainly" You should have seen the discussion of this on the Schneier blog a few days ago. Someone had their agent check the solution, presumably it emailed a librarian to check that it was correct for the original edition. Then their comments read like "The BL/EEBO witness lacks it, so the discrepancy is copy-specific, not a disproof of the cipher." and "A complete 285-coordinate physical replication…
Astra told me yesterday: > The run baseline was captured without a physical MAC; the current device is not durably bound to it. > Engineering mode confirmation is the ESPHome component read-back; the LD2410 UART acknowledgement is not observed, so this is not proof the radar itself applied the sensitivity change. No clue what the fuck any of it means.
Language evolves with use. As more of the users are bo tlike you the langugae might feel like it's evolving from under you.
It just sounds bad, like GenZ English in the ears of someone over 40.
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
Astra told me yesterday: > The run baseline was captured without a physical MAC; the current device is not durably bound to it. > Engineering mode confirmation is the ESPHome component read-back; the LD2410 UART acknowledgement is not observed, so this is not proof the radar itself applied the sensitivity change. No clue what the fuck any of it means.
Language evolves with use. As more of the users are bo tlike you the langugae might feel like it's evolving from under you. It just sounds bad, like GenZ English in the ears of someone over 40.
GenZ English is at least understandable, it's wild, we're so cooked.
Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even more so when you consider that the answers to unsolved problems likely compose with existing knowledge. We don't know what other discoveries these initial discoveries will unlock.
The same goes with most "human" discovery: they happen because existing knowledge have reach a point where that specific discovery is just one more stone to the edifice. That's why in research, it's common for separate teams to reach similar conclusions at the same time or race to a result that's finally in reach. The good old "standing on the shoulders of giants" saying.
true, and universal convergence