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Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by covai »

bitparadox wrote: post #34

I posted a flavor of this comment on an article a few months ago, but it's relevant here: I have a seven year old Volkswagen, not financed. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app before removing my account, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc. Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the…

that's so creepy. But how can the connect to the servers, unless the car connects to your phone or some other gateway?

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by Weryj »

I work in grid management, and the Telemetry from EVs is a valuable data stream for steerable demand on the grid, a genuine societal benefit.

The only data we need is if you’re at home and the charging metrics /w commands.

But the amount of unnecessary data that is available, is a real privacy concern.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by luz666 »

Retric wrote: post #203
Loughla wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if I'm unconscious?

From a cellphone’s perspective a crash = extreme acceleration with different vectors vs a dropped phone, they can also listen for broken glass etc. So even with GPS off that’s detectable. iPhone 14+ and Android 12+ https://en.androidsis.com/How-to-activate-automatic-accident...

Interesting info/link, thanks for sharing.

Generally I read your comment that a dropped phone only hits the floor once, therefore there is only one vector and the car always overturns/flips/turns and therefore there are multiple vectors measurable in the car?

I am not convinced yet, it might be possible without GPS, at least to some degree of error (false positives and false negatives). The info in the link requires GPS to be switched on. hmm

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by rockskon »

bitparadox wrote: post #34

I posted a flavor of this comment on an article a few months ago, but it's relevant here: I have a seven year old Volkswagen, not financed. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app before removing my account, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc. Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the…

Sometimes there's a fuse you can pull to disable the telematics (or whatever the heck a given car company calls it).

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by [deleted] »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #180
tomrod wrote: post #9

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Much like owning a home without an HOA attached, it is becoming harder and harder to meet this requirement. It also seems to conflict with `right-to-repair` laws if the capability is legally required.

It really isn't. FB Marketplace is literally awash in perfectly serviceable vehicles that don't and can't phone home. For the budget conscious among us it's also significantly cheaper to buy a "clapped out" used older car and refresh the drive train than buying new or late model.

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Post by pseingatl »

Several years ago, a German company whose name rhymes with "rowdy" sought permission from a Middle Eastern government to collect location and other information (e.g., speed) from its sold automobiles. The government asked them what they wanted to do with the information. They dithered and dawdled and failed to come up with an answer beyond "improved consumer experience." They failed to mention thay planned to sell the collected information to third-parties.

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Post by lnsru »

majorchord wrote: post #206
Yizahi wrote: post #114

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HN on average is a little behind on the general EU "privacy" stance (though I saw some recent topic about that here). EU was about privacy, a few decades ago. Nowadays it did a complete U-turn and legislates mandatory anti-privacy union-wide laws every year. - Chat Control law, now all messaging must be intercepted and monitored. - eIDAS law, mandating that web-browser vendors must now accept state issued root certif…

Breathtaking levels of misinformation here. There is no EU law that mandates "all messaging must be intercepted and monitored." There is no EU law mandating permanent, non-disableable cameras and microphones in cars. ProtectEU is not a law, not related to email and does not demand any "backdoors." The AI Act bans real-time facial/biometric recognition in public places... which is a good thing. It does not "legalize A…

There is always a citizen who honestly thinks that emperor is good and loves the citizens. The reality is that emperor loves the citizens that love the emperor and will do everything to find and destroy the citizens that don’t love the emperor. History books are full of such examples.

Right now I am repairing old car that does not track me, does not film me and doesn’t try to drive me. It’s a such a great joy to drive it without stupid beeping and automatic wheel movements. Especially without suicidal steering in construction sites when the modern system fails.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by mdp2021 »

aceazzameen wrote: post #81
torginus wrote: post #76

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Tangential, but one of the concerns I have about these 'smart' cars is they have an expiration deadline. There's an exceedingly common type of failure I have seen myself in industrial electronics and (has happened with Tesla at least once), that some module keeps a log of some kind in a nonvolatile flash, and this flash has a limited lifecycle, which the equipment reaches at some years into its life (or earlier, if t…

They've become cell phones on wheels. I'm disappointed with what vehicles (and phones too!) have become.

> disappointed

One of the most extreme understatement in history.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by IshKebab »

jboggan wrote: post #147

I'd like to point out that the CA assembly has passed AB-1542 and it is likely going to be signed by the governor this week. This would make the sale and sharing of "sensitive" personal information illegal, and one of the sensitive personal categories is geolocation data that can map an individual to within a 1850-ft radius. In my understanding, this pretty much makes this type of driver data illegal to sell or share…

Well they'll still sell the data but "anonymised" like with phone location data. Better, but not fixed.
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