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Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by ex-aws-dude »

lolakutty wrote: post #193
ex-aws-dude wrote: post #131

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I never understand when people say that, isn’t it obvious that intelligence is an emergent phenomenon that could arise in different ways

Sure, but it is a token predictor, and it is not intelligent not because it works by predicting a token, but it shows dumb behavior... LLMs are a great search tool. It searches connections in the collective human knowledge that humans have written down through all the years.... They are very good at it, and that is about it.

Putting LLMs in loops with tool calls has created tons of emergent behaviour beyond simply being a search tool

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by card_zero »

computerex wrote: post #326
Barrin92 wrote: post #208

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>I'm somewhat surprised at how poorly the cutting edge models do with being concise. because they're not intelligent in the sense you're hinting at (conceptual integrity or generalization) but they are as the name suggests, large. Like comparing a forklift to a human. It's easier to bulldoze through a lot of things than tie your shoes. If we weren't quite as impoverished conceptually and still had the vocabulary of t…

What an incredibly useless comment. You state a conclusion as fact without any supportive reasoning/evidence. Prove that human intellect is different and that we solve problems using fundamentally different processes. I’m waiting.

"Prove"? Like, a formal proof, about intelligence?

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by surgi »

As someone who frequents online and offline scavenger hunts and CTFs, I second the opinions around here that the task at hand must have been largely unknown. As I find it hard to believe no one from the entire scav hunt / CTF communities would try to fit a classic book cipher interpretation. Tells me more about the state of the art of those academic circles that failed to decipher this than about LLMs.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by geysersam »

abustamam wrote: post #260
geysersam wrote: post #255

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I long for the day when AI will just say that directly: "your soldering sucks man" instead of the bizarre made up and jargon packed language they use now.

You can always update your claude.md!

That sounds like a lot of work.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by ghawkopen »

ex-aws-dude wrote: post #351
lolakutty wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but it is a token predictor, and it is not intelligent not because it works by predicting a token, but it shows dumb behavior... LLMs are a great search tool. It searches connections in the collective human knowledge that humans have written down through all the years.... They are very good at it, and that is about it.

Putting LLMs in loops with tool calls has created tons of emergent behaviour beyond simply being a search tool

Do you have any examples of this?

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by lolakutty »

ex-aws-dude wrote: post #351
lolakutty wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but it is a token predictor, and it is not intelligent not because it works by predicting a token, but it shows dumb behavior... LLMs are a great search tool. It searches connections in the collective human knowledge that humans have written down through all the years.... They are very good at it, and that is about it.

Putting LLMs in loops with tool calls has created tons of emergent behaviour beyond simply being a search tool

If you search randomness, you ll get any behavior that you can imagine. That does not mean that the tool is NOT doing a search.

In the case of LLMs, it is not searching the whole of the randomness, but instead it just search among the grammatically correct sentences that is consistent with the existing patterns found in the existing written down human knowledge.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by latentsea »

redfloatplane wrote: post #3

A very neat problem and result. I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade. I think it's that I don't have a very high p(doom) or p(utopia), and I don't…

> I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade

I find myself increasingly feeling like the burden of the lows doesn't justify the presence of the those highs.

Like even if does cure all forms of cancer, but everyone feels like their life/existence lost meaning, then... I'd rather just have cancer be a thing.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by alexgoodhart »

qlte wrote: post #334
honeycrispy wrote: post #206

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Thank you. More money than the GDP 90% of the sovereign countries around the world is hanging in the balance, and people are taking everything OpenAI and Anthropic are saying at face value as if this isn't the financial / marketing equivalent of war, assuming they they wouldn't use every legal and shady tactic, bending every truth available to them to sway the balance of public opinion in their favor. It makes me fee…

A few months ago a post claiming an amateur deciphered Linear A hit the front page and quickly got almost 500 upvotes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48600107 https://aiclambake.com/clamtakes/linear-a/ Despite the announcement originating from a blog named "AI Clambake" covering "weekly, human-powered newsletter for advertising folks". Written by a personal friend of the author. Announced without any corroborat…

Wait we don't like xyz domains??? :(((( !!?
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