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Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Has anyone out there created a utility that will download and delete any gmail messages older than 6 months, storing them only in an encrypted local store?

I would be surprised if deleting a mail from your gmail account would actually delete them from Google's servers?! I was always under the assumption that Google will store them until eternity. But as assumptions go, I can't really back that up -- but perhaps someone on HN has better knowledge?

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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The war on terror positively thrives on fear. Terrified people make stupid mistakes, sign away their rights with reckless abandon in the hope that it will allay their fears. No electorate is so easy to manipulate as one that is afraid.

This should be mentioned when we have people saying, in response to gun control, "Demand a plan! It's already too late; we need to do /something/". Doing "something", something which the security state crowd had ready in '96, is what got us the PATRIOT act and the TSA. The strong anti-gun crowd is trying to wage a slow war against gun ownership that would result in an Australia-like confiscation of weapons and the re…

We must do something This is something Therefore, we must do this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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I wish we would treat cyberspace analogues of established property with the same respect given to the original. For example, your e-mail inbox is the online equivalent of your mailbox. Yet, one being "on your lawn" and the other "at Google's data-center," all bets are off. While I believe the Supreme Court should do better job at explicitly addressing this (for instance, "responsible expectation of privacy" establish…

The Sixth Disctrict court of appeals did address this directly in US v Warshak [0]. What this scare article does a good job of is confusing the reader. Unopened email left on a 3rd party server for longer than 180 days was considered discarded or abandoned property. Discarded physical property has never retained a reasonable expectation of privacy (for instance, the police are free to dumpster dive once your property…

The landlord doesn't get to go through my stuff while I still live there, though. Just because I have boxes in the garage I haven't opened in six months doesn't mean they're up for grabs.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Zarafa works wonderfully and is a snap to setup. Edit: Here are the docs for the latest 7.1 branch: http://doc.zarafa.com/7.1/ And here is the link to the community (open source) section of their site: http://community.zarafa.com/

I keep hearing the name. I'm going to chuck it onto a VM and try it out.

I'm running it on two small sites (The webmail interface is the best opensource one I've come across (easily beats redcube) and active sync works fine with iphone 4/5 and android.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Well, we just disagree.

Do you disagree with anything specific, or are you just done discussing it? I've not heard many people seriously argue that the TSA's mandate is to alleviate fear, much less argue that the TSA carries out said mandate successfully.

Just done discussing it.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Not relevant, I live in Arizona and lack of contact with conservatives is not an issue ; hell, I wish it were.

Not a rant, just an observation: Republicans aren't conservative. They are military-industrial socialists. That's why things like Fox get annoying: they go around pointing fingers at the others, yet push out their own stimulus packages (via military spending increases) and their own flavor of socialism. A lot of "true" conservatives have left the party. FTR, I don't classify myself as either liberal or conservative;…

These true conservatives might have left the party, but they're still voting for the party because I don't see any big shift in representatives yet that mirrors this big exodus you speak of. I know many such ex-republicans, they all still voted Romney and republican despite their vocal protests of the party.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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War on terror is a hoax used for pushing forward an agenda. Save us from the terrorists and drugs! God forbid you travel out of the US and see some of the world, you might be "taken". The way the media sensationalizes some of these shootings, it's like we have to live in a constant state of fear.

God forbid you travel out of the US and see some of the world, you might be "taken". Ironically, I feel the same way about the US since 9/11: I'd rather freely run my yap about (politics of) the country on the internet and not ever set foot there, than visit it and risk my freedom. Which makes me sad, because I know it has many great people in it... but a lot of things would have to change rather drastically for me t…

Yeah, I feel broadly the same way. In so many ways the US is a fantastic country, but the government and its politics are insane, and frankly scary from the outside. I thought things would vastly improve under Obama, but from what I can see, he's little more than a "Bush Lite". Pity, IMHO.

Worth separating the people from their government, although I would argue that in a democracy the government is the voter's fault. But it seems to me that the US government / establishment fears and hates its own population as much as it does foreigners.

I kinda wish Americans would wake up and see the monster, then do something about it. If the US establishment starts treating its own people better, that might fan out internationally for everyone's good. Not least, Americans.

But then, as I say, the US is supposed to be a democracy, so presumably they have what they want already. So, er, fair enough. Who am I to suggest otherwise?

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military-industrial complex Most of what you said is true enough, but this nonsense loses you credibility. It's like saying "it's the corporations , man."

What? The military-industrial complex is real. If you don't believe me, look at how the Army is requesting LESS money for tanks, claiming that they have enough and that the money would be better spent elsewhere.. And then Congress rejecting that plea and giving them more money for tanks.

Wow, I didn't know that one. And reported by mainstream media:

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-th...

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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Another good one is the number of people that die in car accidents in the US every year, largely due to human error - 32,367 people in 2011. If the government took one tenth of the money it spends on defense every year (which was $1.030–$1.415 trillion for 2012), or approximately $100 billion dollars, and invested it in driverless car research and the infrastructure changes necessary for it, a much bigger benefit cou…

I use that one a lot. Roughly one 9/11 every month, continually, and nobody really cares.

It isn't that nobody cares. It's that people see (however irrationally) car accidents as an unpreventable occurrence, while they see terrorism as something that can be stopped if we go and kill the bad guys that are doing it.

Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

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post #131
post #83

Has anyone out there created a utility that will download and delete any gmail messages older than 6 months, storing them only in an encrypted local store?

I would be surprised if deleting a mail from your gmail account would actually delete them from Google's servers?! I was always under the assumption that Google will store them until eternity. But as assumptions go, I can't really back that up -- but perhaps someone on HN has better knowledge?

I'd be interested to hear about this as well.
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