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Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by 4b11b4 »

As a ref if I had parent who was more involved than they needed to be - I'd let em go for a while, at a good stopping point I'd blow the whistle, jog over to them, maybe slow to a walk, just slow enough that everyone would be wondering what is the ref doing what are we wasting time for... Then I'd explain to them how they are really being helpful and I really appreciate their help. You know, with just a hint of sarcasm...

Make sure my explanation was loud enough for some other parents to hear. I'd never hear from them again.. hahaa I miss being a ref

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by 4b11b4 »

qsort wrote: post #10
hakunin wrote: post #2

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

Quoting from the official website: >>>>>> The new procedure targets inappropriate behavior by parents and spectators directed at children, coaching staff members, referees, match officials, or other parents and spectators. This includes, but is not limited to: Verbal abuse (insults or profanity), as well as physical assault or shoving of one’s own children; Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of staff members…

Yeah if I had a parent doing that I'd fucking tell to em go sit in the car otherwise this game's over

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by eps »

itsmartapuntocm wrote: post #19
hakunin wrote: post #2

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

I would assume it’s treated as if the team of the offending parent has abandoned the match.

This still can be gamed.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by pseudohadamard »

dylan604 wrote: post #60
Loughla wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If that's the situation in, and it can't be stressed enough, a children soccer game It's not extremely common in my area, but it is more common than you would think. Parents treat their children like lottery tickets when it comes to athletics. And God help you if you're the unfortunate umpire at a travel league game that makes a questionable call. The youth sports industry is fucking gross and nobody seems to notice…

I spent several years as a soccer ref including high school matches. It never failed that every time I hit my whistle, the side of the stadium opposite of the direction of me signaling the foul would always erupt in jeers. You could always tell the helicopter parents complaining about non-calls not appreciating that soccer is a contact sport. There was only one game where the officiating crew was escorted by police,…

Reminds me of the Goodies take on this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnCsT_6LnZc

RIP Bill Oddie.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

lacunary wrote: post #18
Fred27 wrote: post #9

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If it's anything like the UK then it's likely the games are played in a public space like a park, so it might not be possible to eject the parent.

I don't buy it. You can kick someone out of a park for not following the rules of the park. The refs just need to be empowered.

Authorised persons can kick someone out of a park. A ref's authority stops at the pitch/ people registered with the sport's body.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #64
hakunin wrote: post #2

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

When a ref abandons a match it is up to the board to decide what to do with the result. In senior games often the offenders get a lost. Plus this is youth games so results matter less.

> ...this is youth games so results matter less.

Have you ever been to a kid's sporting event?

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by happymellon »

LanceH wrote: post #68
steveBK123 wrote: post #22

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I umpired baseball in my early teens and even 30 years ago it was bad. Grown men getting into the face of 14 years old umpires over calls, at games for kids barely out of tee-ball. It just doesn’t matter that much. I remember a coach who would flip over 20 gallon coolers and send ice and drinks flying in the dugout.. in front of his team of 10 years old umpires olds.

Baseball in particular has a problem with anger is the arguments. Like there is no argument without a hostile tone. Players/managers never seem to merely appeal a call -- they jump straight to harsh yelling. Compare it to soccer where there is also a lot of whininess in the complaining about calls. It's become accepted that vulgar, angry, disagreement is acceptable until it goes "too far". Tantrums are just socially…

This is one of the reasons I like rugby.

Probably being born from public schools, and teachers being the referees, they don't have to take any nonsense from players and can take the ball away from you, lose you ground you have gained, or card you if are abusive to the referee.

Abusive parents on the sidelines can result in sanctions on clubs.

Even if you think the referee made a bad call, it is never acceptable to be abusive to match officials.

It blows my mind the things I see in football they allow people to get away with.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by stockresearcher »

mbreese wrote: post #36
beart wrote: post #29

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Your comment implies the youth refs are the exception, but the VAST majority of play are at these lower competitive levels, and it is FAR more common to have youth or inexperienced refs than otherwise.

I’m saying that when you get to have games involving kids older than 10, that having teenage refs is more uncommon. In my area, there are a number of leagues. Only one has a large number of teenagers in the ref pool and they only are center refs for the youngest players. For the more competitive leagues, you almost never have a ref crew made up of only teenagers. Here, young refs are generally protected by having old…

When you say “teenage” refs I assume you are meaning kids 16or younger. A lot of adult-sized college-age teenagers ref games and you probably don’t realize it.

You’re right about the scheduling aspect. If you’re in a healthy area and the leagues are playing according to US Soccer rules (using the IFAB bible plus approved grassroots modifications), the scheduling system is good and makes sure to keep refs assigned to appropriate matches (pro-tip: they keep track of the worst teams for abuse and only schedule the most grizzled refs. If none are available, then “sorry no refs are available for your match”).

Also, I don’t know if it’s US-only thing or a worldwide FIFA thing, but for the past few years refs with less than 2 or 3 years of experience are supposed to be wearing a special armband that coaches are supposed to recognize - if the ref gets abuse from fans they tell the coaches and the coaches have to go deal with it. If it’s not dealt with, the match is abandoned.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by LanceH »

happymellon wrote: post #77
LanceH wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baseball in particular has a problem with anger is the arguments. Like there is no argument without a hostile tone. Players/managers never seem to merely appeal a call -- they jump straight to harsh yelling. Compare it to soccer where there is also a lot of whininess in the complaining about calls. It's become accepted that vulgar, angry, disagreement is acceptable until it goes "too far". Tantrums are just socially…

This is one of the reasons I like rugby. Probably being born from public schools, and teachers being the referees, they don't have to take any nonsense from players and can take the ball away from you, lose you ground you have gained, or card you if are abusive to the referee. Abusive parents on the sidelines can result in sanctions on clubs. Even if you think the referee made a bad call, it is never acceptable to be…

I love how in rugby if two guys are going a little two hard at each other the referee will call them over along with their captains, and address the captains while these gigantic players stand there like children.

One other offshoot of rugby officiating is they will admit wrongs and they'll say things like "I didn't see that." Compare that to the NFL where the refs make a bad call and the league will back them up to the point of being ridiculous by reinterpreting the rules to make the officials right (see "not a catch").

Rugby is so refreshing.

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