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Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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Ugh wtf so I need a Google account on Android? That's not going to happen. For an org that pretends to care about privacy you'd imagine there'd be a way to avoid, you know, the biggest privacy invader on the planet. Just allow monero payments or something. Alongside Google play for the sheep that want to use that.

Hopefully they eventually make a way to pay without it.

You wouldn't believe the spam if they did that

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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What about their built-in cryptocurrency? It's a perfect use for it. They could require payment post-install yet before message can be sent.

I've literally never seen anybody mention it, much less use it since it was announced.

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Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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I really liked silence. I stopped using it when f-droid said the source code was no longer available. Fossify messages is the best replacement I've found. (I dont bother with encrypted messenging apps. I prefer to assume that anything I do on my phone is doubleplus unprivate. If I want privacy, I head over to my computer.)

GrapheneOS is more well-roundedly private than any desktop OS. Competition is Qubes but that has usability issues and does not have good hardware security.

I'm not about to trust a google branded device. Even if the Graphene folks are on the up and up, google sure as hell isn't.

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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Hopefully they eventually make a way to pay without it.

You wouldn't believe the spam if they did that

Why? Just raise the prices if they get more spam on non-google payments.

I've literally registered a Signal account on one of the free SMS sites floating around. Why would spammers choose the payment route over phone numbers? They would just choose the one that's cheaper.

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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For those who missed it, unrelated to this specific ZKP thing the release cycle also now permits Android tablets without a SIM to be first-class adjunct devices without using wierd tricks or alternate clients. It may permit them to be the initiation/sign-on device, which would invoke the ZKP, but the point for me as an existing phone number denominated user, the point is I can be on my tablet with true signal now. No…

Here's an article saying that: https://aboutsignal.com/news/signal-allows-android-phones-to...

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#47

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GrapheneOS is more well-roundedly private than any desktop OS. Competition is Qubes but that has usability issues and does not have good hardware security.

I'm not about to trust a google branded device. Even if the Graphene folks are on the up and up, google sure as hell isn't.

That's not based in reality. Why would Google have a hardware backdoor when 99.9% of their users run their software giving them the data they want.

Google Pixels have no evidence of a hardware backdoor when a desktop is proven to be much less secure against remote and local exploitation.

It has been shown through leaks that Pixels running GrapheneOS are the most secure against Cellebrite in AFU. GrapheneOS was the first to implement a reboot timer feature which brings the device to BFU (much more secure) and then Android and iOS copied it (with longer, non-customizable duration).

You can inspect network traffic to see that GrapheneOS phones only connect to GrapheneOS-run services.

Here's a team member's thoughts: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/10150-not-your-average-why-...

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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I know for a fact If you use "signal" matrix or whatever "security" app, you will get branded a terrorist in India, your life will be upended and you will face a long list of problems.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ats-probes-use-of-...

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/accused-da...

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/secure-messaging-apps-lik...

https://india-employmentnews.com/tech-category/delhi-blast-n...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-news/Dangerous-Sign...

And it doesn't matter you use a connected phone or not, they just get data from ISPs.

And yes, using a VPN will get you knocked up as well.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/12/indias-vpn-ban-in-k...

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

#49

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Ugh wtf so I need a Google account on Android? That's not going to happen. For an org that pretends to care about privacy you'd imagine there'd be a way to avoid, you know, the biggest privacy invader on the planet. Just allow monero payments or something. Alongside Google play for the sheep that want to use that.

googles obligation to hand out all account linked info notwithstanding, one may still create google accounts without associating a phone number, by doing so on old android versions. signal does however explicitly force credit card info here, thus providing direct individual traceability ..

Plus they are mandating you give your details to Google. So much for privacy

Re: Registration without a phone number on Signal will use zero-knowledge proofs

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I know for a fact If you use "signal" matrix or whatever "security" app, you will get branded a terrorist in India, your life will be upended and you will face a long list of problems. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ats-probes-use-of-... https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/accused-da... https://www.deccanherald.com/india/secure-messaging-apps-lik... https://india-employmentnews.com/tech-categ…

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