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Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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Read their last sentence again.

“AdSense has got to go” should include OP’s use if they truly believe that. That’s what the person you’re responding to is saying.

"Had to go". Past tense. It's not ambiguous. The only correct interpretation of that sentence is they did get rid of it.

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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The web is becoming very hostile to ad blockers. I use a VPN and I've noticed more and more sites just being obnoxious with their popups and even just crashing the site completely in a loop (looking at you EuroNews)

If a site doesn’t let me see it with my ad blocking enabled, I just go elsewhere.

This Even skimming the web could take up 1000X the hours I have in a day, and I really should spend more time exercising, and reading books, and with friends and family, and volunteering, and ...

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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My opinion is that someone somewhere is paying for those ads and Google needs to get positive identification of a human being for any ad. Google has a near monopoly so there is no reason Google can't force this requirement arbitrarily. Once you have positive identification, suspend them pending further investigation if they serve any dodgy ad. I will be genuinely surprised if Google makes any money off of these dodgy ads. How? Like how does this money flow? Where does it come from?

There has to be a way to enforce positive identification, right?

Google already does this for Google play developers. I can't use a US credit card to pay for the USD 25 fee for a student on Bangladesh for example because I understand the payment method is one of the signals they use to make sure the student developer is a real person.

Is this something Google won't do on its own without being forced to act?

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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Liability is kind of wild and the fact that “the internet” washes it all away is wilder still. In my state, which perhaps takes liability too far in the other direction, if I serve sober you a single beer, you proceed to visit a second bar, have ten shots of tequila in an hour, and kill a man driving home - I share equal liability as the tequila bar. Perhaps there is a middle ground in this world where a firm that ma…

(Premise: it isn't 'alcohol and drugs'; it is 'drugs'. Alcohol is a drug, and while we are at it: a powerful one.) The reason for that is that you've been serving a hard drug to a customer. Don't do that if you cannot bear the responsibility (liability). In order to bear the liability, the price has to go up, including perhaps a safe escort home of the drug user, but of course that would be too expensive/socialist/au…

I agree with most of what you are saying. That said: alcohol is also a controlled substance, rather than an illegal one. It is perfectly legal for the original person to serve it within the legal limit. They're saying that the liability goes too far when they are held accountable for another server at another establishment that serves beyond the legal limit afterwards. On that part, I will agree with them.

Like you, I abstain. Yet I do have to deal with bartenders, and I will say that some are responsible and some are not. (I have pissed off some fairly powerful people along with people who commerially produce alcohol, and ought to know better, that they cannot serve alcohol because they are unlicensed, uncertified, or uninsured.)

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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I don't think it is fair to pin this on Google - I get the worst ads on X. But something about how the X ad network works means that even when I report the ad, block the ad poster, etc. there is this army of alternate ad accounts that all show the same ad. I was feeling very guilty last night as I was watching YouTube and getting 30s+ unskippable ad blocks every 10 minutes in some video. And the repetition and low qu…

I think it is fair to pin this on Google, Meta, X, and any other ad networks that seem to have no control over their own platforms.

They're like Dr. Frankenstein, creating a monster and then just letting it roam the countryside. But worse, because they profit (immensely) from the chaos their monster wreaks.

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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As much I love a good old "Why don't you just ..." response that terrifically misses the point - in this particular case I was watching YouTube through their Apple TV app. Now, there may be another "why don't you just ..." or "well, actually ..." response you have queued up, maybe some ramblings about a pi hole, or some anti-Apple hate, or some other solutioneering. Go ahead, tell me. But it is the structure of incen…

Sounds like you've made a choice to watch ads. Which is fine, but then maybe don't complain about it.

They wanted a whinge, and not a solution. A position that I truly do not understand, but is not uncommon.

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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Adsense has been a nightmare for us. They have been putting thousands of scam adverts on our website for some time. Think "you have been looking at xxx and must pay a $100 fine" type popup nonsense. Hosted on the following websites: azurestaticapps.net azurewebsites.net herokuapp.com ondigitalocean.app digitaloceanspaces.com netlify.app Google doesn't allow you to block these domains, because they consider them "TLDs…

Yep. Same!! https://www.cannonade.net/blog/why-i-turned-off-google-adsen...

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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Why are you subjecting yourself to that instead of downloading Firefox + uBlock origin? See the headline of this article for Exhibit (I've actually run out of letters in the alphabet) why adblocking is a moral imperative.

As much I love a good old "Why don't you just ..." response that terrifically misses the point - in this particular case I was watching YouTube through their Apple TV app. Now, there may be another "why don't you just ..." or "well, actually ..." response you have queued up, maybe some ramblings about a pi hole, or some anti-Apple hate, or some other solutioneering. Go ahead, tell me. But it is the structure of incen…

> The YouTube creators that make the content do need to get paid

Nope.

They may get paid, they may not. That's the risk they've chosen. They may also get their Google account banned with no recourse for something minor or even non-existent.

> So either one is rich in time (doing whatever "why don't you just ..." hoop you expect me to jump through) or rich in money.

That's what they want you to think, you've been watching too many ads.

Re: Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?

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post #227

Frankly speaking, because no-one is forcing them to stop serving them. That's the biggest 'trick' companies like Google have pulled here. They've somehow tricked the regulators into thinking that because they're big companies serving a lot of customers over the internet, that any sort of fraud or product liability laws are irrelevant to them. Because any other company doing this would get sued into oblivion, shut dow…

> because they're big companies serving a lot of customers over the internet, that any sort of fraud or product liability laws are irrelevant to them. Is it false ? As much as we can lament the current state of affair, we must acknowledge everything that has been thrown at any of the bigger companies has resulted in slap on the wrists at most. At this exact moment in the US money is straight power, in it's rawest for…

Well no and that's the problem. Many governments (especially the United States one) are complicit in this. They don't do nearly enough to keep corporate power in check.

If they really wanted to fix these issues, antitrust could be a real thing again, and companies like Google would be forcefully broken up and barred from remerging later down the line. If Google doesn't have Gmail, Chrome, Android or YouTube and all these things are separate businesses, then their power is severely curtailed.

They could also arrest CEOs, board members and other people with a large amount of power at these organisations and charge them for the actions of the business.

Or levvy percentage based fines that obliterate the company's ability to function. Could Google function if it was charged 50-60% of a year's worldwide revenue until an issue was fixed? It'd probably have to cut way back on everything in that scenario.

The issue is that the government has been so thoroughly captured by corporate interests that noone faces meaningful consequences if they earn more than a billion dollars a year.

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