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Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by angry_octet »

tw04 wrote: post #112
sschueller wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really nothing that has oil in it that at some point needs changing?

I would imagine if there is oil in the electric motors that is “lifetime” but test really probably 300k miles, so if you drive the car into the ground, you probably would want to service that at some point, assuming they are serviceable without destruction.

There's no oil in electric motors.

The only significant oil is for the reduction gearbox, but as it doesn't change gears the wear is very low. First change will pull out some metal I'd guess, quality of machining dependent. Every 60000km/2Y, 1-2 litres.

Batteries may be immersed in a high dielectric thermal fluid, which will experience some breakdown but over a long time period, more than 10Y.

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sschueller wrote: post #21
medler wrote: post #16

Not having to deal with oil changes is one of the many benefits of driving an EV

Is there really nothing that has oil in it that at some point needs changing?

You’ve got parts with oil that have to be done every 10 years or are completely sealed into the part and are expected to last as long as the part does.

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by CursedSilicon »

latortuga wrote: post #123
sippingabonedry wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suddenly I don't feel so stupid anymore for having a supply of motor oil on my garage shelf that rivals Elaine hoarding contraceptive sponges in Seinfeld.

Now when your friends call you have to decide if they're oil-worthy

I think they made a movie about that

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by eks391 »

LeBit wrote: post #61
johng wrote: post #20

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Lots of people haul things. The US is huge compared to what most people expect. Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life.

What do you think is the % of people having F150 that really do need F150?

As someone who does not own an F150 (or any truck), I find myself frequently wishing I had a truck, and either borrowing a friend with a truck, renting a truck, or doing some really unsafe things with my hatchback while muttering with my wife that our next car with be a truck.

If we had a truck, what % of the time would we be using it for things that can only be done with a truck? Very little, since it would also be our daily driver, but even if just 1% of the time, it's 100% worth having a truck over some sedan (or a hatchback!)

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by mikestew »

consp wrote: post #109
mikestew wrote: post #54

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plenty of things inside the EV require all kinds of oils I can come up with one . What's your list?

Not op, but brake fluid comes to mind, power steering fluid, transfer/reduction box. All depends on which ev you are talking about. Things like cv joints, axels and other rotating parts also require greases, again depending on make and model. Not that those need yearly replacement but they do need maintenance.

Brake fluid isn’t oil (generally speaking). EVs have electrical motor-driven power steering, not hydraulic. You scored correctly on the reduction box, which will need changing well after most people sell the car (>100K miles).

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by angry_octet »

LeBit wrote: post #61
johng wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people haul things. The US is huge compared to what most people expect. Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life.

What do you think is the % of people having F150 that really do need F150?

Can't be more than 1% at this point. The cleanest cars on the road, and the only rough terrain they face is climbing kerbs to bypass queues in traffic.

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by bobthepanda »

eks391 wrote: post #134
LeBit wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think is the % of people having F150 that really do need F150?

As someone who does not own an F150 (or any truck), I find myself frequently wishing I had a truck, and either borrowing a friend with a truck, renting a truck, or doing some really unsafe things with my hatchback while muttering with my wife that our next car with be a truck. If we had a truck, what % of the time would we be using it for things that can only be done with a truck? Very little, since it would also be…

Tbh as someone who does not drive or own a car regularly, I get by renting those U Haul vans (not trucks). It’s not expensive and it’s a hell of a lot more useful than a truck for doing the random heavy odd job.

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by [deleted] »

tw04 wrote: post #112
sschueller wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really nothing that has oil in it that at some point needs changing?

I would imagine if there is oil in the electric motors that is “lifetime” but test really probably 300k miles, so if you drive the car into the ground, you probably would want to service that at some point, assuming they are serviceable without destruction.

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Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by twineorwire »

cr3ative wrote: post #80
snypher wrote: post #62

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>Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life. You might have missed this part. My round bales are 1000kg, and the field gets wet. How do I move the goats? How do I pull someone out of that ditch where the sign says 15mph but every winter they slide through my fence?

A tractor, probably.

Grew up in farm country and on a (hobby) cattle farm, can confirm, the best tool for between two and three[1] of those is a tractor.

Though yes obviously if you have an actual working farm, in any capacity, you need a truck that can tow trailers with decent weight on them.

I have noticed truck ownership patterns vary with region, which may be why some people bristle at the notion that vanity-driven truck ownership is common. It's extremely common in the Midwest, city suburbs are full of people who bought an expensive truck either because that's the purchase that'll get them positive attention from their peers at work or in their friend group (and because other options for show-off cars might get them ribbing instead of kudos) or for aspirations they'll never fulfill ("yeah, I'll totally tow a boat to the lake every weekend! Maybe I'll even buy a fifth-wheel camper!" then they end up doing it like twice a year and never buy the camper). It's less common in (at least large parts of) the Northeast. The "I have a nice car people may comment positively on or otherwise approve of" purchases here swing more Volvo and Audi and such, even out in what the locals consider the "country" (it's... not, LOL).

[1] Where are the goats being hauled? Just on your property, between fields? To somewhere farther away? On roads? How far on roads? Truck still might be the wrong tool, or at least not better.

Re: Global shortage has led to motor oil rationing at Costco

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Post by sandworm101 »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #24

Things are really about to hit the fan. The world has been surviving off of strategic petroleum reserves, but those are quickly hitting the bottom. The US last reported at 285M barrels[0]. There is a legal floor of ~250M, after which it is reserved for government national defense. Usage has been all over the place, but the drawdown has been somewhere in the region of 1M barrels per day. Public analyses have said that…

What a great time to start a trade war with the largest oil exporter. Think there is a shortage now? Just think what happens when canada turns off the taps. Even the threat could trigger covid-style hoarding.
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