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Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by riskable »

aspbee555 wrote: post #23

How much money did they waste in police and court resources over a swing obviously in disrepair if it broke so easily? How much resources/money did they waste having someone create invoices for numerous children/families? How much resources/money did they waste on harassing/tormenting children and their families instead of just fixing the damn thing? So nice to see such enormous time and resources being spent on catc…

To be fair, the powers that be do see children and their families as "actual criminals." They literally charged them with a crime!

This is their idea of what counts as a real criminal. Instead of, say, someone who rapes children. They'll vote for that person!

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

GlibMonkeyDeath wrote: post #12
uberman wrote: post #2

When I was a kid twisting a swing so you could ride it as it untwisted was something that happend dozens of times every recess. This was something every kid did. If your playground equipment falls apart as a result of the standard way kids use a swing then I think that is a manufacture issue not criminal behavior by a 10 year old

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/pennsylvania-girls-10... "The borough also says visitors encounter its "Play Smart Rules" when entering the park, including a specific instruction: "Do not twist chains."" So the town buys crappy swings, knowing full well that kids are going to spin them (who hasn't done this a million times as a kid?) Then they slap up a sign telling the kids not to do that. Basically entrapmen…

As a reminder - if you put an unsafe swing on your property and just had a sign as the only thing stopping it from injuring a child and a child got injured, you'd be automatically liable under the "attractive nuisance" doctrine.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

NietzscheanNull wrote: post #76
y1n0 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We talked about them in my neighborhood mainly because of package theft. If I ever thought there was a real chance of enforcement action, I’d be in favor.

You would rather infringe on the privacy of your community and invite a company known for indiscriminate multi-pronged dragnet surveillance (plates/faces/bluetooth beacons/etc.), with a nation-wide blanket coverage network that has already been provably abused by police on multiple occasions, all because of a handful of petty package theft cases? Honestly, I'm at a loss for words.

In other countries you only look at the footage if a crime actually happens, to see who did it

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by chadgpt3 »

fg137 wrote: post #67
jerlam wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The content creator is using "Flock" as a shorthand for all surveillance cameras, which muddies the conversation.

Which is why I think traditional media outlets are much more trustworthy than random influencers when it comes to news reporting. They don't have a perfect record but have standards and ethics. Sadly it's not worth anything these days.

they have none of the above, they're still a little more accurate on average than a content creator though

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by cindyllm »

stego-tech wrote: post #52
nomagicbullet wrote: post #5

I don't think we understand yet the kind of world we are building. All the small decisions we are making will shape our future: algorithmic decision making, social network broadcasting and "self-reporting", light-speed meme transmission, always-on audio and video surveillance... the list goes on and on. One day we'll wake up to see we've build a jail around us we can't escape.

Oh, many of us understand quite clearly what world was being built. I'd argue most members of marginalized groups knew damn well what kind of world was being built by those in power. That being said, one of the best ways to fight surveillance as a concept is authenticity. The goal of the watchers is enforce constraints - limit where you go, who you talk to, how you dress, how you behave, etc - and remaining defiantly…

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Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by downrightmike »

donmcronald wrote: post #7

If the chain broke from twisting it up and letting it go, it was in disrepair before the kids started using it. Maybe the city admin should be charged with negligence for letting the infrastructure crumble.

Child endangerment

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by RajT88 »

Ugh. Parkrose Permaculture.

I actually like her videos, and watch them to learn about some of the issues. I generally agree with her. Hear me out.

I had an "AHA" moment recently, where she posted a video about data centers. There's real issues there. I don't disagree with most of the issues, but I do disagree about the prioritization of the issues. Being a techie, I am directly involved in hosting workloads in data centers for my company. I know more than a lay person about what data centers are about.

So the very first time I watched a video on a topic I am a SME on, I saw her weigh in with the hot take of "All these data centers are basically surveillance centers!" She's not wrong, but what she is is just repeating what everyone on Facebook is saying without actually trying to understand the issue. Charitably this is word-for-word what people who are waking up to the issue are screaming all over social media, or less charitably people consuming a lot of astroturfed content.

TL;DR, I realized she's not really educating herself on the issues via deep dives before forming an opinion, she's just repeating what everyone else is saying on social media. She's no better than all my neighbors on Nextdoor, just a much better public speaker. If you're screaming about "surveillance centers", you are uninformed if you're not talking about data brokers. Nobody screaming on social media about data centers is. This very forum has people who have worked for data brokers saying things like, "It's 1000x worse than you think it is."

So, unfortunately, I can't use her content to form opinions. Even though I agree with her on most things. I can't trust that she's actually got her facts straight - she's running a confidence game. It's like finding a PR from your trusted coworker with a really, really stupid nasty bug - "what else is out there that they've touched...?"

Now that I've got that put out there...

This new privately owned surveillance network in a sane version of this country should be found unconstitutional, and this story about preteens being brought up on charges is only surprising for the reasons she highlighted.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

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Post by Melonai »

riskable wrote: post #79
t_mahmood wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking few days ago something that is very common feature in my city, which made us unsafe in the name of safety without most of us realizing at all. So, in my city each and every window has metal grills, without anyway to open them, nor we have fire exit, except very few. So, the only way out is the frontdoor. Reason being, It's unsafe to have open windows because of robbers, thieves, rapist etc, which is le…

"Better to die in fire than let some dark-skinned person sneak into your home, rape your daughters, murder you, and steal your stuff." -The classic American right-wing rage machine

I mean, it's true that these issues are used as right-wing fear fodder a lot, but parent commenter is talking about his country in particular, and there are numerous countries in which crime of that sort is extremely prevalent. It might not be just propaganda. The point is that with our safety we give up some of our freedom, and it's hard to find a balance. All the safety means none of the freedom.
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