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Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#51

I don't think we understand yet the kind of world we are building. All the small decisions we are making will shape our future: algorithmic decision making, social network broadcasting and "self-reporting", light-speed meme transmission, always-on audio and video surveillance... the list goes on and on. One day we'll wake up to see we've build a jail around us we can't escape.

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Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#52

I don't think we understand yet the kind of world we are building. All the small decisions we are making will shape our future: algorithmic decision making, social network broadcasting and "self-reporting", light-speed meme transmission, always-on audio and video surveillance... the list goes on and on. One day we'll wake up to see we've build a jail around us we can't escape.

Oh, many of us understand quite clearly what world was being built. I'd argue most members of marginalized groups knew damn well what kind of world was being built by those in power.

That being said, one of the best ways to fight surveillance as a concept is authenticity. The goal of the watchers is enforce constraints - limit where you go, who you talk to, how you dress, how you behave, etc - and remaining defiantly authentic lets them know those tactics won't work while simultaneously broadcasting to others that you reject the power those cameras have over you.

Surveillance succeeds because of fear, and it always falls because of authenticity.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#53
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When I was a kid twisting a swing so you could ride it as it untwisted was something that happend dozens of times every recess. This was something every kid did. If your playground equipment falls apart as a result of the standard way kids use a swing then I think that is a manufacture issue not criminal behavior by a 10 year old

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/pennsylvania-girls-10... "The borough also says visitors encounter its "Play Smart Rules" when entering the park, including a specific instruction: "Do not twist chains."" So the town buys crappy swings, knowing full well that kids are going to spin them (who hasn't done this a million times as a kid?) Then they slap up a sign telling the kids not to do that. Basically entrapmen…

My company makes dangerous equipment like lawn mowers. Because of this, I have to go through training on how to design equipment to be safe.

And the rule is very clear. If there is any possibility of an issue, you need to redesign it so the problem can't happen, you need to put gaurds in place so the problem can't happen, or only if those two fail, are you allowed to put up a warning sign. That is an ordered list so if anything is possible in the previous step you cannot go to the next.

In this case a chain that can take twisting is obvious and so the sign won't protect them from liability should someone get hurt from twisting the chains.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#54
Three questions:

1. Why is the city creeping on children with surveillance cameras? I'd be tempted to run for city council and beat that drum until the head broke (but then I'd have to serve on the city council).

2. How did they identify the children enough to come to their home? Might have read the license plate, but reporting is unclear.

3. Why is our municipality buying such crappy equipment that it fails when kids do what kids have done with swings for 100 years or more?

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#55
OK, big surveillance fans: please explain why this is OK because "it's not the government", and this keeps us safe, and we don't have any expectation of privacy. It's inevitable that someone is going to claim it's a great idea. Let's get it out of the way.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#56
post #2

When I was a kid twisting a swing so you could ride it as it untwisted was something that happend dozens of times every recess. This was something every kid did. If your playground equipment falls apart as a result of the standard way kids use a swing then I think that is a manufacture issue not criminal behavior by a 10 year old

It's marginally cheaper to install flimsy chains and surveillance than to pony up for a slightly thicker gauge chain get out of here with your common sense /s

Until someone gets hurt and the court find they are liable for millions because signs and cameras did not work and because they thought it would they apply punitive damages to make sure the message is sent.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#57
post #16

There are plenty of people here working on surveillance tech. Is this the world you want to be building?

I’d say a lot of people don’t care if it doesn’t affect them directly, and if they can exploit a moral boundary to get rich they’ll do it.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#58

OK, big surveillance fans: please explain why this is OK because "it's not the government", and this keeps us safe, and we don't have any expectation of privacy. It's inevitable that someone is going to claim it's a great idea. Let's get it out of the way.

You already know the answer. It's a sacrifice they are willing to make just in case someone in a rusty Altima does a hit and run on their Tesla.

Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#59
post #2

When I was a kid twisting a swing so you could ride it as it untwisted was something that happend dozens of times every recess. This was something every kid did. If your playground equipment falls apart as a result of the standard way kids use a swing then I think that is a manufacture issue not criminal behavior by a 10 year old

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/pennsylvania-girls-10... "The borough also says visitors encounter its "Play Smart Rules" when entering the park, including a specific instruction: "Do not twist chains."" So the town buys crappy swings, knowing full well that kids are going to spin them (who hasn't done this a million times as a kid?) Then they slap up a sign telling the kids not to do that. Basically entrapmen…

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Re: Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing?

#60
post #58

OK, big surveillance fans: please explain why this is OK because "it's not the government", and this keeps us safe, and we don't have any expectation of privacy. It's inevitable that someone is going to claim it's a great idea. Let's get it out of the way.

You already know the answer. It's a sacrifice they are willing to make just in case someone in a rusty Altima does a hit and run on their Tesla.

You know it. They also lack the imagination to see how this could be used against them, instead of the "right" people.
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